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Unity Rules, Forums Update, Moderation.

Right now we are preparing a major Unity and BoonEx.com update. If things go right, you'll see it in a few days. So, I'd like to bring up a few issues that are relevant to this update.

First, we'll be putting up a new BoonEx Constitution/Rules document and will be enforcing stricter moderation rules using some new features, namely short-term suspension - ban for 48 hours, a week and a month. First of all we'll be targeting personal insults and spam. There will be no warnings, just bans. We'd like to create a sort of ecosystem where everyone knows that neither insults nor "opinions" about other members will be tolerated. Something like what you see at WebMasterWorld - you can't advertise anything, directly or indirectly there and you can't talk about other members in negative manner, be it your opinion or just an attack. Simple as that. For advertising we have Market.

Second, we are upgrading Forums (in Dolphin too) with many new features, including attachments, signatures, new layout, better speed, "recently updated topics" page, limited time for post editing, moving/deleting of topics, topics and posts hiding by moderators, etc. Forums will become a more important part of Unity with "no advertising".  References to your site in signatures will be allowed, but not in the content of your posts, unless requested.

Note that we reserve the right to both remove content as per our discretion and NOT to remove it, too. We are trying to build a helpful resource that gives answers to BoonEx software users and gives them opportunity to improve Dolphin, learn about it and share with others. We may as well remove any content that discredits BoonEx in any way. Even if the author feels that they are giving their honest opinion and that critique is justified. It's quite simple - don't like it, tell us; if no answer, still don't like it - do something to fix it; still not there - leave. The catch is that experiences and opinions vary, for different reasons, but we don't need anybody's bitterness publicly expressed without any practical goal that may benefit BoonEx. In short, if you are absolutely convinced that BoonEx is evil and that others need to be warned - trumpet from your own hill, not from ours.

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On a more positive note, some Unity changes are designed to make all updates across the system more visible, so it should be a lot more interesting to keep track of what's going on here.

And, if you have a good, practical idea on what particular functionality of Unity could be improved or added, let us know in comments, please. Unity is not only a BoonEx Community, it is also a sandbox for solutions that will find their way into future versions of Dolphin.

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nuccca
I am glad to see this, look forward to new unity environment.
houstonlively
Do I understand correctly...... absolutely, positively no advertising whasoever.... except in signatures?
shnelson
I am excited to hear about upgraded forums within Unity, how soon can we expect to see them available in Dolphin?
tomakali
I guess....
hmmmm Nothing...
theguypc
I, for one, have been looking forward to forum improvements.

I really couldn't care less about any Dolphin updates because these forums are much more important to my bottom line.

Thanks for this big announcement. I had been fully expecting it. Thanks too for proving me right.

It's all good.

I won't say anything else since I don't like being censored, banned, etc.
theguypc
Sorry, I wanted to add this..........

@Andrew Boon said: "We'd like to create a sort of ecosystem where everyone knows that neither insults nor "opinions" about other members will be tolerated."

So you are going to remove the opinions area in individual accounts then too? What about opinions in the marketplace? Opinions shared via PM that the subject finds out about? There is a lot of grey area within this policy.

What you are proposing is going to cause problems because see more there are definitely situations where opinions about a person apply. Especially in the market place. (think KMD)

I'll have to check out that website you mentioned... I guess. I don't have a good foundation to work with - I just see problems ahead. Especially with the spotty moderation that tends to occur here much of the time. (Can I say that?)
Andrew Boon
re:Can I say that?

Yes, you can say that, as well as anything that helps to find ways to improve and is generally toned as a sane discussion and not just rant. SO, you're cool :)

You're right about "opinions" - they do, in a sense, clash with the idea of not posting about other members, but they are a dedicated place for that, so there we can use certain rules - like in Market, where one can post only if they bought a products, etc. In Profile's "opinions" we will be looking see more for limitations too, possibly just something like a "one can post only 1 opinion per week" or something like that and will moderate them.

One of the most important updates that we're preparing is that we'll be catching all new posts, comments, opinions, etc and would be able to moderate them without going to every corner of the site. So, hopefully, in a few weeks we'll turn Unity into a much cleaner and brighter place.
hd4real
Forum improvement is great. Was needed as much as the new Unity updates. Keep it up.
Nathan Paton
What about in situations where the author of the topic is asking for web hosting provider recommendations, or a certain modification? I'm against people blasting off "switch to [web hosting provider]!" whenever they get the chance, even when the author has no intention to, but what about those times when this is what the author is asking for? I believe that restricting owners of these companies from recommending themselves makes sense, but what about actual customers (given, that they don't see more sneak in those annoying affiliate links)?
Andrew Boon
"unless requested"

In short, common sense applies, but we'll probably be giving more detail along the way. Generally, if the topic requires the link, then yeah, by all means it may be posted.
DeeEmm
Dang - No bitching :'-( LOL.

Will deliberately useless remarks also get moderated too? Remarks such as the sarcastic one line replies often seen in response to people asking for basic help and advice? IMHO these are worse than cussing and do not give a good impression to the noobs.

PS. I hope you've sorted your search function out too.

/DM
Andrew Boon
yes, working on Search too, and yes, sarcastic remarks that have no value, will be moderated.
MeRuud
I agree with DM, those sarcastic responses can rely bring somebody down, especially the "noobs".
Sarcasm is hard to spot (for some) in type writing and thus can be quiet offensive.
Zarcon
Hey Andrew, Moderators have been waiting for something like this for quite a while, so glad to hear the updates are coming..

Here is a suggestion when it comes to Moderating:

Give us the ability to hide posts/comments in all areas on a individual level. Currently all we can do is hide the "whole" post. An example would be that someone posts a forum topic, blog, etc.. and a another member decides to go on a flaming slander war. If our only option is to hide the "whole" post, see more the original poster will either never get their answer or have to repost the whole topic again. I know Administrators can hide/edit/remove on a per post level, but sometimes they may not catch it or act quick enough. Maybe something like that can implemented for Moderators too :)

Suggestion on Terms and Agreement:

Make everything perfectly clear. I know that no matter what you do someone will say "it didnt exactly say that". Example: when it come to using blogs as your own "personal" place to post whatever you may be thinking, who you are mad at, how your day went at the office, etc..Are blogs meant to be for your own "personal" use or does the Boonex rules apply to them as well??

Allowing links in someone's signature will cause a problem. Here's how: Some can reply to a topic, blog, etc. and refer them to go to their link in their signature (same as advertising). A person can actually edit that link to say whatever they want, or direct them to a possible viral infected site at any time. So you might want to re-think about adding site links in your signatures. I could be a ticking time bomb. I can see it now, "Hey, I clicked your link like you said, and now I have a virus on my computer!".

Thanks for the updates,
Zarcon
Andrew Boon
Thank you Zarcon, some good advice.

With signatures - we plan a 100 symbol limit, text only, so links won't be converted. Thus, if somebody is interested they may copy-paste them, and if not - they won't scream at you.
killerhaai
Zarcon is right what these links in signatures can be happen. So for me no links posibilitys there.

I think Orca need also sub boards and a better moderation to.
csampson1
Last night I posted links to my site to show the ones that were broken is that advertising? Just asking.......
Andrew Boon
If commons sense tells you that it's not advertising, then it's very likely not. Moderators and BooNEx team will be making their own judgements, but I'll be tracking how it goes to make sure we all have good understanding.
Zarcon
@csampson1 - That is exactly why I said the rules need to be extremely clear. There is a difference when someone is posting a link to their site while asking for help because their site is not functioning. You see the boonex team even say "Please prove the URL to your site". But THAT is where the key is.. As Andrew stated " References to your site in signatures will be allowed, but not in the content of your posts, unless requested". So I wouldnt make your first post that includes see more a link to your site. If someone is truely trying to help and requests it, then is would be allowed.

Now if you posted a link to your site with "Hey everyone, I just built my site and Im looking for new members to test"... or whatever, then that would be considered advertising/promotion.

I agree with signatures but do not agree with signature links... just saying
houstonlively
The last thing that should be allowed is images in signatures. I hope that's not going to happen. It's incredibly annoying.

No advertising except in signatures = more advertising than you have ever seen. Now people get to advertise on every single post they make. How is this an improvement?
Andrew Boon
Definitely no images in sigs. THey will be text-only, 100 symbols max.
elcentcom
I'd like to see proper categories for modules and all of what we have in the admin panel categorized. It's sometime very hard to find a needle in the hay. It's such a compact script that needs to be categorized and everybody including boonex team would have an easier life.
Andrew Boon
it's a bit tricky with categories, and we think about a global solution, so they WILL appear eventually, but not very soon.
jtadeo
Thank you Andrew. I look forward to the updates.
DeeEmm
I agree, I think signatures need a set of rules / guidelines too, it's one thing to have a link to your site in there, but a much different thing to to have a whole list of mods. I think a limit to 2 lines or so would be a good idea.

Also, totally agree with HL on allowing images in there, it really messes up the continuity of threads, makes them very hard to read, it's not too bad if a standard banner size is used, but get's really annoying when people use massive / non-standard sized images. see more If you're going to allow it - make sure everyone uses a standard size.

It is, however a good source of revenue to charge people to be able to add banners to sigs - The more they post - the more impressions they get - therefore encouraging more active participation.

RE: posting URL's to get help - Simply submit your site to the websites section and then people can get access via your profile.

/DM

PS Andrew - I gave you a point as it looks like no one else would - I think re-writing Orca is at least worth that - lol
tyke
Blimey, i never understand why it all has to be so complicated on here. The moderators know the rules, so its up to them to keep order.

I will say though that i think its a little harsh to have a no warning rule. what's wrong with just pointing the member in the right direction first with a gentle warning, that will keep the harmony, and the board flowing better than sticking the boot in from the word go, then if they do it again, then come in heavy.

this way you wont have people too scared see more to post for fear of breaking some rule they dont know about. :-)

Tyke
Andrew Boon
Well, if Moderators are so inclined, they may warn, but i think that a short-term ban, with a polite note should work just as fine.
mods4dolphin
Thanks for the update Andrew !!!

I hope the new forum will also display no. of thread views as it's a very imp. option :)
 
 
 
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