Dolphin 6.1.5 Released. 100% Open Source. Flash Apps &amp; Forum Included. New Licenses.

o no more contributor stars?

Andrew Boon•6th of May 2009•to sammie

All current contributors will receive unlimited licenses, one per star. All new contributors won't have this special anymore, sorry.

superbus•6th of May 2009

If you have ANY active license it will work as an Unlimited License, both for the new Dolphin and for any of your current BoonEx products.

Cool, eh?
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i'm the lucky one ! :)
i have unlimited lifetime Ray licenses

was the issue of the callbacks resolved? VictorT said it would be.

i guess our stars will be converted to Dolphin adfree licenses over the next day or so?

clubbeyourself•6th of May 2009

Yes, please confirm when our stars will be converted to licenses as I have triued to access the license details for my contributor status and it has been removed.

Andrew Boon•6th of May 2009

Contributor starts will be converted and we're setting up the anti-callback stuff now. Will go to sleep now and will work on that 2morrow. Have a nice day!

sweet dreams and you all did a great job.

Diddy•6th of May 2009

thanks, sweet dreams and a successful day tomorrow :-)

Nighto2007•6th of May 2009

thank you for Upgrade .. great job

nice dreams ;)

regards

kumpleto•6th of May 2009

Dear sir/madam,

Does this mean that if i purchased a LIcenced Orca which will still expire on 09.03.2010, i can avail the
Dolphin - Unlimited Time License already for free?

If yes, how can i download it and/or get the license?

thanks

VictorT•6th of May 2009•to kumpleto

>> Does this mean that if i purchased a LIcenced Orca which will still expire on 09.03.2010, i can avail the
Dolphin - Unlimited Time License already for free?

Yes, your paid Orca license is converted to Unlimited license for whole Dolphin 6.1.5 version. All you have to do is to upgrade to/install this version and apply your license to it.

kumpleto•10th of May 2009•to kumpleto

dear sir,

thank you very much for your kind reply. I'm just being careful w/ my action, so may i ask if it won't affect my old license if i apply the 6.1.5 version. To apply the license, all i have to do is use my existing license?

Lastly, i have a couple of custom modules inside my website, could u recommend an expert or does Boonex assist this kind of support?

Awaiting your reply.

Thank you.

Kumpleto

JasonVan•6th of May 2009

It's like Christmas in May! Thank you!

HernanL•6th of May 2009

I might be wrong, but I felt quite disappointed by the new pricing structure. I was planning to start with a smartpro pack and now I can´t afford one, because it simply tripled it´s price! I think Boonex should reconsider issuing a 998€ license.
Cheers for the upgrade.

bonnoccaz•6th of May 2009

Hi..
#FR# Mérci pour votre M.A.J. Bon boulo..
Thank you for Upgrade .. great job ..
Best regards
KITEVOX

Zine•6th of May 2009

Same question as kumpleto,
If i have a license for only dolphin and a/v chat that expires in a year.
Does this mean I get an unlimited license for the product plus all the other products for 6.1.5:
Orca,
Dolphin,
Ray
Ray Desktop
Ray Chat
Ect, Ect, Ect.....

And where does it upgrade. Is it automatic in the 6.1.5 patch?
Will this include the upgrade when 7 comes out?
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Thanks :) ,
Zine

Mike•6th of May 2009•to Zine

Hi Zine.....
You bet! Any purchased or contributor license converts you to an unlimited that includes all scripts - but you need to use the link and upgrade to the 6.1.5 version and apply your Dolphin (or other) license. Everything gets registered automatically. ... no more separates! Some details are still being worked out for clarity, but that is how it will work

I'm also a bit confused about our upgrade path. For those of us who have systems that have been modified, should we go through the upgrade to D6.1.5 - or should we wait for D7? Prior to this recent announcement of 6.1.5 I assumed we would be directly upgrading from 6.1.4 to 7. Will there now be two upgrade scripts? One for 6.1.4 and one for 6.1.5? - or do we now have to do two different upgrades? It seems to me you just threw a monkey wrench into the works.

Oh, that licensing sucks! I was always worried that the obsification I thought I was hearing about licensing could destroy the system - and it looks like that may have happened! Dolphin got where it is because it was completely free and open source - and the $100 license was affordable for most people, while still retaining a free version. I'm going to review this more, but I am not at all happy about what I have read- this means Boonex will essentially own all our applications. You have had see more

kumpleto•6th of May 2009

Just wonder what would be the use of 6.1.5 if the version that we've been waiting for will be released soon.

Isn't this a waste of time and effort on your part guys doing the 6.1.5 when all of us here are awaiting the version 7?

cheers

mastermindsro•6th of May 2009

Wow! This MUST be a joke!!!
800$ for ONE unlimited license? Good luck with your business, I'm NOT buying.. stop being so greedy people!
With 800$ I can buy 3 or 4 Windows Vista Ultimate unlimited licenses with future unlimited upgrades.. (at least in my country).. and that is A LOT more complex software..
We are waiting for a realistic price.. remember when you said that Dolphin will be more affordable? ..let me put it in a different way.. do you guys know that most of your customers will NEVER see more

danielmarseille•7th of May 2009•to mastermindsro

totally agree

Mastermind, you are not - I am feeling almost sick to my stomach this morning because of all the time I have dedicated to this. I also remember the promise that the new licensing would make Dolphin "more affordable" - how is giving Boonex $790 - or paying them "for life" more affordable that $100 for life? They took feedback on everything except the licensing and the banner advertising Boonex that we have to keep is huge and ugly. How is this different now from just getting see more

mastermindsro•6th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

Believe me.. I'm not usually so active in ANY community, because I have a very busy life.. but dolphin seemed at that time to deserve the attention.. so I tried to help the project as much as I could.. that's history from now on.. I don't like greedy people.. I don't like people who use their position in the market to ask high-prices.. 200-250$ is the only reasonable price.. and at 250$ it must be 99,9% bug-free.. (that's next to *no bugs at all*)

CALTRADE•6th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

I know what you mean Masterro - we have been thinking this is more like an "open source" community - and have been contributing to Boonex right and left, but to them it is a commercial business (with an occasional environmental initiative thrown in as a red herring). I didn't say it in my post, but this is very much like a "bait and switch" scheme.

mickyb•6th of May 2009

I'm kinda confused, is the contributor pricing still the same, will the $20 a month give me the ads-free?

Mike•6th of May 2009•to mickyb

Hi Mickyb,
Here's the key..."If you have ANY active license it will work as an Unlimited License, both for the new Dolphin and for any of your current BoonEx products."
This includes contributor licenses. But - no longer will contributor membership bring a set of licenses...that is discontinued. So if you have even one current contributor license (just Shoutbox, for instance) - you get a Dolphin unlimited, and need only upgrade and apply that license. Remember - Dolphin now has see more

Footman•6th of May 2009

Interesting and it looks great.... but... as I'm just now starting to build my site I'm wondering about the logic for me to start now or just wait for the release of 7?

Is there going to be a 'patch' or will it be a new standalone download?

houstonlively•6th of May 2009•to Footman

I made the decision to wait over 6 months ago. I didn't think at the time, that the wait would be this long, but the curent version of Dolphin lacks some urgently needed core features, and that include D 6.1.5

Personally, I don't think there is any logic in starting a new site with 6.1.5

Zine•6th of May 2009

"If you have 3 months of an Orca license remaining - you get Unlimited Dolphin, with all Flash apps.

If you have an unlimited Dolphin license without Ray widgets - you get Unlimited Dolphin, with all Flash apps.

If you have ANY active license it will work as an Unlimited License, both for the new Dolphin and for any of your current BoonEx products.

Cool, eh?

SmartPro License holders get new SmartPro Licenses (5 domain)."

I think was the key feature there. I was just checking see more

sombRIA•6th of May 2009

GRACIAS BOONEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zine, I take it you and other's who are praising Boonex for this have already purchased the old Smartpro license, or some other license that is transferable. For you it is a good deal, but unless this is changed, the rest of us got screwed. For some of use, $998 bucks is a lot of money, but you could get a lifetime Dolphin license for $100- a respectable deal for those of us who didn't like the Ray stuff. Now that same amount of money will give you the privilege of running your own application see more

YouDidntDidYou•7th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

I think the 50 day license is plenty of time for any business to test the potential of their business model if that doesn't work you might have to re-evaluate your model. Or you could use the free version for awhile and have such great and compelling content that your customers don't mind/notice the boonex/dolphin links....

annabel•6th of May 2009

Told you they would get greedy. Over a year spending time in testing and contributing for their account.
I did not want to spend money in a script that wasn't working, couldn't afford it.

It's just the happy few who have plenty of money to spend that will buy those expensive licenses.

Not me ! Thanks Boonex for the 'more affordable' script.

Good luck and byebye.

YouDidntDidYou•7th of May 2009•to annabel

I think boonex were undercharging in the first place, this new pricing structure will help with dolphin's future development and make community owners work harder/smarter in make their communities work and if need be profitable.
There is another open source script available elsewhere but even they are looking at charging businesses for managed hosting.

wow you lot make me laugh, have your IQ's hit your shoe size? is it just your way of thinking thats warped?

affrodable boonex promised and affordable it is.

caltrade stop trying to compare a $100 license to a $1000 smartpro license, keep to the facts and these are the facts:

12 licenses for 1 year at $39 each = $468
new license for 13 months = $290
just how is that not more affordable?

old smartpro lifetime license = $998
new Dolphin lifetime license = $790
just how is that not more see more

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eclectech99•6th of May 2009•to sammie

I have to agree. We are getting more goodies for the buck, than we were before. I've been reading these blog posts (and the comments) for a couple of months now. I'm super excited about version 7, and like to keep up-to-date.

It's one thing to be kicking yourself for not purchasing a $39 or $100 license when you had the chance. It's another thing to take it out on those who are working tirelessly to program this big project.

I'm grateful for purchasing when I did. It was announced a while ago see more

Mike•6th of May 2009•to sammie

Sammie, eclectech99...thanks for the support and explanation. I'm with you - but you're missing one thing Sammie.... if you have existing multiple stars - you aren't hurt. You get an unlimited license for each star (membership)...we're not cutting you short. New sites - yes.... there will be no more contributor licenses.

annabel•7th of May 2009•to sammie

how many times have I pleeded for other payment methods then credit card and paypal ?

I have neither of them and I COULDN'T buy anything even though I wanted. Not even the lousy 20 $ ...

So for those lucky ones who were able to buy contributor stars ... they get the benefit.

Others stay in the cold.

boogerd•6th of May 2009

With 6.15 - is there still a 'free' version available, meaning - will Dolphin still work with Boonex ads?

VictorT•6th of May 2009•to boogerd

Sure, the Free version (with ads) of Dolphin 6.1.5 is available too.

Endlessly sucking up to Boonex as usual Sammie, while insulting everyone else. You know, you have chased many GOOD people away from these forums with your incessant insults and foul language- , and yes, I know that you believe that you are the only one who contributes anything. I'm sorry, I am going to express my opinion whether you like it or not. Some of us did not purchase the Dolphin licenses because we could not get the software working properly for our applications, others because their see more

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

I really don't get it. Please, explain how could you use Dolphin without links form $100? Did you cut off all Ray widgets? How do you manage updates then?

caltrade you run a few business sites and your telling me you cant afford the 72c a day for a license,? your in the wrong business then thats for sure.

and there you go again calling boonex scammers, its not the 1st time you have called them that so WTF are you still doing here?

apart from being a blood sucking leech that is

CALTRADE•6th of May 2009•to sammie

Now you are outright lying. Prove it - post the link where I call Boonex scammers.

sammie•6th of May 2009•to sammie

then Boonex has choosen to screw everyone who has not purchased a license for whatever reason. The has ALL the characteristics of a bait and switch scam.

you say that here in this thread ^^^^ i didnt have to go far, but hey you also tell others to go use other software in this thread and in the past.

CALTRADE•8th of May 2009•to sammie

I am not trying to have a pissing contest with this drama queen, but as she keeps incessantly lying about me, I have to respond. This is the THIRD time she has lied about me on this thread - all of them trying to make it seem I said something about Boonex that I never said - a technique I have seen her use with others. The most recent lie may seem minor - she has taken a sentence out of context, and then substituted the word "scam" for "scheme" to make it look worse - and if see more

jtadeo•6th of May 2009

I know the news may be shocking to some and a relief for others.

Sometimes these things can take time to sort itself out and just from experience, your first reaction is usually the wrong one. Especially if has a measure of stress associated with it. And it looks like the new pricing model has that "stress".

Remember too that Dolphin 7, Dolphin 615 are within the scope of this pricing. So that may be an item to consider for those who feel the pricing is not fair.

I have to think see more

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to jtadeo

Quite a stress here too, still "sipping".

I had a call from a customer a while ago:

- "Can I remove the BoonEx banners?"

= "Sure"

- "Is it the $100 for the site?"

= "yes, for Dolphin"

- "And Ray is separate?"

= "yes"

- "And can I run Dolphin without Ray"

= "yes, but you'd need to change it, remove some modules, tweak code"

- "and if I update to new version, would that still see more

Hi Jtadeo,

Even though I have been called "a blood sucking leech" for expressing this, I think Boonex blew it with this one. There was really nothing wrong with their old pricing - $100 for a lifetime license for a domain was a great deal - it made me believe Dolphin really could be "the next big thing" - but unless this changes, I no longer believe that is true. The new pricing simply is not affordable for most people (plus most of the existing users are getting screwed). see more

DosDawg•7th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

hmmmm, interesting question? "how does this play in india?" im just dabbling and trying to figure out why that would even matter, how this plays in india? i would suppose about the same way a lexus or BMW would play in india, there would be some that have it and some that dont.

im wondering if we can write the prez of the US and ask him since he is of this like minded thought process, that everybody should have the same thing, i wonder if he can write an XO and get us dolphin for free, see more

Robbie•8th of May 2009•to CALTRADE

I think Boonex offers the best $ for $ software deal on the planet. How huch does it cost to have an other hobby, Like by a boat and go fishing, Joining the golf club. I could go on. Think about what you are getting for your money.

if you cant afford the 72c a day, i wouldnt call myself a business

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CALTRADE•6th of May 2009•to sammie

The license is $790 lady - stop making up misleading sales pitches. If Boonex want to do that they can do it themselves, and speaking of business, I can't imagine why anyone would EVER want to do any kind of business with you.

sammie•6th of May 2009•to sammie

maybe because I know what I am talking about, and you dont?

lets face it, you have pissed off about every single person that has helped you in the past, and now you have to hang around here all frustrated like a hooker on a street corner, waiting for something to come by that you can use.

you came here about the time 6.0.0005 came out and you seen something special in the Dolphin software, you seen the vision and uniqueness of it and how advanced the ideas were about it.

you then spent see more

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to sammie

I would ask the question a different way. How the F***** did you decide this was any of your business! I'll admit I have made some mistakes - like defending you when hosting customers that you have ripped off and insulted write to complain. That is a mistake I certainly won't make again.

p.s. Could you please consider going back to a community college and learning some English- that is almost as offensive as your foul mouth.

houstonlively•6th of May 2009

Personally, I wish the free version of Dolphin would go away altogether. All sorts of irritating issues would be cleared up.

I would have liked to see a bit more moderate pricing, but it is what it is, and I'll live with it..... however....

When I pay that $790 for a license, I will expect a real support forum attended to by Boonex staff, and I don't want my support requests intermingles with support requests by those idiots that try to run Dolphin on their home computer so they can have see more

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CALTRADE•6th of May 2009•to houstonlively

Without the free version this software would never have gotten where it is, and it becomes just another software package - in fact, one of the more expensive ones in the social network space. I have no problem with the old $998 - which essentially gave you the same thing people could get for $500 (5 licenses) but offered installation and better support.

houstonlively•6th of May 2009•to houstonlively

"Without the free version this software would never have gotten where it is, "

... my point exactly. It's in use by about 20,000 webmaster wannabes, that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a web server.

sammie•6th of May 2009•to houstonlively

you got my vote

Zine•6th of May 2009

caltrade, no I only have two things. please reread the last post i had.

Zine

francisca_carv•6th of May 2009

Hello, I am loving to read all the discussions and all, but I am having a problem, I have installed 615 and now my IM is not working, it stays forever in loading both in internet explorer and firefox, any ideas why?

houstonlively•6th of May 2009•to francisca_carv

You need to reenter your RMS port settings in Ray Base

MaestroJedi•7th of May 2009•to francisca_carv

How does one do that exactly?

carnytown•6th of May 2009

Well, Boonex is their business and it is up to them to determine their pricing.
However, the two new networks that I was planning for June release, will not be a reality.
Here's a thought. Most of us can not afford lump sums of $290 for a year, but many would consider $25 a month provided flash was included. Cannot speak for all but many folks that want to "try it out" will not cough up $290, to do so.
I am of both mind. Boonex has a right to make a few bucks and have to support themselves...but see more

Medfordite•6th of May 2009•to carnytown

I am quite aware of some hacked versions of Dolphin which remove the Ray and Orca altogether and discombobulate so to speak the ads and push for identification of Boonex. Since this is an open source project, it makes it easy for them to do. I have had some issues with the advertisements popping up even though I paid for the ad free license so that made it a bit stressful for me since I too am one of those out of work webmasters by no choice of my own trying to make a buck or two. I set up a regional see more

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to carnytown

We also plan to add the PayPal's "Pay Later" purchase option, but anyway, the package is CHEAPER now, and using Dolphin without Flash Apps has ben close to impossible lately.

tyke•7th of May 2009•to carnytown

I really dont agree with pushing the amateurs to one side. Just use the free version, your site can still be and look as professional as you can make it, it just has the small boonex ads on, cant see the difference. Members wont know the difference either, they will just think you have put them on yourself, like any other ads lots of different sites have on these days.

do you mean $25 a month including the hosting?

carnytown•7th of May 2009•to sammie

No, I realize that hosting, especially for some adult content would average at a minimum around $25. That would bring the package up to about the price that Zocku (social go)(for instance) is offering. With the addition of easy modification of colors and graphics in 7.0 that would make the package competitive and attractive, I would think.

Igorlord•11th of May 2009•to sammie

Looks like you are support of the Dolphin team and promote this price like a just costumer - isn'???)))

1atlas•6th of May 2009

Outstanding and thanks for the upgrade! Does the download include the SmartPro version?

sombRIA•6th of May 2009

Moving Forward -->
Free Open Source is and will always be the best way to model web and domain architecture. SO THANK YOU BoonEX for that opportunity and continuing that practice!
If my CLIENTs want to remove the Ads they can give 'SOMETHING' back to a TEAM that put in tremendous effort and hours long before "profits" were even considered... I'll go as far as to say, BoonEx Revenue Streams were not even introduced but 24 months ago.
Over Time they have become a stronger more united see more

Your Username•6th of May 2009

We have just upgraded our site Megabyte Hosting to version 6.1.5 the upgrade was painless and all seems to be well, so far.

However, the footers (Boonex Adverts), as we are using Dolphin Free should link to our affiliate id number, some of these links do, some don't.

We are promoting Boonex and it's products but the links should call and be associated with our affiliate ID and since the upgrade to 6.1.5 some of them are not.

Please alter this in the script and or advise how we can fix see more

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to

Yes, this is s bug and we're fixing it now.

sonnarinternet•7th of May 2009

I just upgraded our site, and it went fairly smoothly. I did notice, however that the version number on the dashboard still says:

Version
Installed - 6.1.4 SmartPro
Latest - 6.1.4

...also the admin_login_* images don't seem to exist in the upgrade pack.

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tyke•7th of May 2009•to sonnarinternet

This is curtesy of sobria which will fix that problem you mention

PROBLEM: Admin Login Screen

In the D6.1.5 Patch the new Admin Images are located in the admin/images/icons folder and need to be in the admin/images folder. Which is were they are being called from.

FIX: Move all the images from the admin/images/icons folder in the D6.1.5 Patch and upload to the admin/image directory.

tyke•7th of May 2009•to sonnarinternet

sorry didnt spell that right then.

SombRIA

MaestroJedi•7th of May 2009•to sonnarinternet

Is that something that needs to be worried about? I upgraded as well and it still says
Version
Installed - 6.1.4
Latest - 6.1.5

Got the Admin images fixed though. :)

Also, my chat and shoutbox are completely gone...any clue?

superbus•7th of May 2009

i have a few lifetime licenses.
i have install the new 6.1.5 yestraday and registered my dolphin copy with a free licenses from my unity account.
today after i read all your posts here i have deleted from admin panel that license and i have try to insert one of my licenses hoping that will make boonex ads gone.
but the problem is : boonex ads are still on my website
any ideea?
thank you.

wildun•7th of May 2009

This could be interesting. I just purchased a $39.00 add free license yesterday. The transaction is actually still processing. If I'm understanding correctly this will now be a unlimited license?

superbus•7th of May 2009•to wildun

verry funny :)

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to wildun

Yes, that should be right.

Draxxon•7th of May 2009

We actually came out very well with the license changes. We have a SmartPro Pack License, and have plans for several additional sites once the first one is up and running and fully debugged.

With the license changes, we can add an additional 4 sites before we have to get more licenses.

annabel•7th of May 2009

My frustration is even getting bigger because I just saw that now ... ALL OF A SUDDEN ... with the new pricing policy, there IS a possibility to pay by bank wire.

Why couldn't they offer that before ???

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sammie•7th of May 2009•to annabel

they have always accepted payments via bank transfer

annabel•7th of May 2009•to annabel

No they haven't sammie, I have been asking for that many times.

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009•to annabel

We've been accepting wire transfers for about 2 years now. Had about 10 of them every month.

HernanL•7th of May 2009

Hi, I´ve just installed v6.15 and the shoutbox is not working... Any news on that? Thanks.

MaestroJedi•7th of May 2009•to HernanL

I'm having the same problem. My shoutbox and chat are not working at all. :(

tyke•7th of May 2009

I really dont know what all the fuss is about myself, yes it is a lot of money to splash out, and i'll never be able to afford it, but so what, i'll just use the free version with ads, and that doesnt bother me at all. Why are people so against using the free version i'll never know. some say they are worried that their members will click on the ads and go make their own community, well i'd like to see them try myself, dolphin isnt a ning, where all you do is sign up and hey presto you have an instant see more

annabel•7th of May 2009•to tyke

Tyke, you're right. Ads don't bother me either. It's just the pricing policy that bothers me and others as well I guess.

I have free licences, so I shouldn't complain at all.

Draxxon•7th of May 2009•to tyke

LOL, yes the sites with paid licenses do often fill it with ads, because that's one of the ways they are offsetting they're own costs.

cpittman•7th of May 2009•to tyke

LOL @ "I'd like to see them try..."

totallyfreak•7th of May 2009

thx you very much... this is very good news :)

boonex rock!

Andrew Boon•7th of May 2009

Ok, the new pricing seems to be a hot topic.

First, take a close look at the FREE version. You may notice that it doesn't have ad-banners anymore. Only BoonEx links/images. The ad footer became smaller.
I believe that the site can run perfectly fine with a free license and 999 ot of 1000 members won't have problems with that.

IF you want to remove the BoonEx links - fine, go for license. The Dolphin unlimited license is $790, which is LESS than what you had to pay for full link removal from see more

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mastermindsro•7th of May 2009•to Andrew Boon

that's the biggest mistake.. thinking you get profit from raising license price..
should i say it again? we DON"T need 90% of the plugins.. so why should we pay 800$????

YouDidntDidYou•7th of May 2009•to Andrew Boon

Couldn't agree more if you look at products from other software companies like adobe etc dolphin is fairly priced...people with problems with the pricing could always "just" build community software themselves.

might be better to post announcents in the forums instead of the blog in future???

sammie•7th of May 2009•to Andrew Boon

mastermindsro
do you go to the store and demand they sell you one egg because you dont want 6 for breakfast?

no you dont. you buy 6 and either keep the other until you use them or dont bother using them

so STFU

hd4real•7th of May 2009

It's all good. Great software. Can't afford it yet. Go free. If your serious about your business, it's worth paying for it even if you have to put money aside. Honestly, I can't afford it, so what, i'll just start free first. Boonex software is worth the price they ask for it. I'm not defending them. It is expensive for the people who can't afford it but it is not the end of the world. Don't bash on me. It's my opinion. Everyone thinks different about this matter. I hope you all find a way to get see more

tyke•7th of May 2009•to hd4real

Well said hd4real. some people are now behaving as if somebody has just shot their mothers over this issue, and its all a bit silly. I could have understood it if the free version wasn't available anymore, but it is, so whats the big deal. Just use the free version, and if you are adamant you want the ads off, then just save up a bit, its not like you cant use the software or it is limited, like most, until you buy a licence. People need to put this into perspective. You get to use dolphin for see more

HernanL•7th of May 2009

I understand both sides, those complaining (I lean to that end) and those defending the new pricing structure.
What I see is that Boonex has now an opportunity to make a "last call" for licenses. That is provide everybody with a last chance to purchase as many licenses as everyone wants, that includes all of us who, for whatever reason, were left out from getting ad free versions at "reasonable" prices, but also those who are now planning to build x number of social networks see more

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to HernanL

Good point Hernan, I have suggested this also. For many (actually most) or us, this was a "surprise, you just got screwed" message. I think it is important that if they do this, they give sufficient time- 60 days at least, 90 preferably - and at the very least keep the current pricing until Hookie. Otherwise, if the timeline is very short, it would be a little extortion-ish.

p.s. I still think their $100 licensing was brilliant and could have knocked out the market. Now it could see more

Zine•7th of May 2009

yes, I do understand that it is good deal. My question wasn't about the pricing though. It was about the original statement:

"If you have 3 months of an Orca license remaining - you get Unlimited Dolphin, with all Flash apps.

If you have an unlimited Dolphin license without Ray widgets - you get Unlimited Dolphin, with all Flash apps.

If you have ANY active license it will work as an Unlimited License, both for the new Dolphin and for any of your current BoonEx products"

does see more

Andrew Boon•11th of May 2009•to Zine

basically, any license that you've purchased before, for any product will work as unlimited Dolphin license now.

Mat•7th of May 2009

Thanks for everything, boonex team has done a great job and I am really having a lot of fun gathering together all my riders around the world, I design kiteboard gear, and just like designing software, it takes a huge amount of work, and even if you get things 99% right, you will always find someone to only talk about the 1% wrong, so please, some should relax a little, look at the positive side, for me things look better and better...

danielmarseille•7th of May 2009

license in the months (50 days- $90 )
really too expensive

it is $657 for one year

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to danielmarseille

DanielMarseille - that deal is ridiculous. I'm almost positive no one will buy that - it would just be throwing money away. We should concentrate on getting a reasonable price for the single domain lifetime license, or at the very least get the option to buy at the old prices for some reasonable time.

carnid•7th of May 2009

Thank you Boonex, this is extremely good news for existing customers!

Just one quick question - I had one unlimited dolphin license for Dolphin which I bought a while back and currently have one contributor star - does this translate to 2 licenses or one?

I look forward to seeing Dolphin 7 develop!

wildun•7th of May 2009

I realize I hardly ever post, but this is my opinion. I have been operating some type of community or dating site for a lot of years, 15 or more. I've tried just about every solution out there, both free and bought ones. Beleive me I have at times paid much more than these prices for inferior software. I kicked myself on many occasions because their demo worked and looked good, but once I bought the product it never worked right and the coding was shoddy. If I wanted more functionalty the mods were see more

Your Username•9th of May 2009•to wildun

We offer a free trial to new clients of Dolphin on our hosting service. latest version of the site, access to the admin panel included.

danielmarseille•7th of May 2009

license in the months (50 days- $90 )
really too expensive

it is $657 for one year

I use dolphin since version 5.4 - I have two on-line - between the modules, the problems of bugs and location of the server - I do not earn money, quite the contrary, I lost --
Please - think about the small beginner webmaster

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to danielmarseille

Hi Danielmarseille,

It is $290 for one year and one month - they did it that way for some reason - but it is still essentially a subscription service, not a license you own.

The 50 day license for $90 is ridiculous - I can't imaging why anyone would want to do that, or what Boonex was thinking when they came up with that one.

Most of us are interested in the lifetime license. Until a few days ago, that was $98 - now it is $790. Most of the people who are now saying this 800 percent price see more

danielmarseille•7th of May 2009•to danielmarseille

hi caltrade

I can not pay $ 290 at one time

I pay per month

and paying monthly is $ 657 for a year - far too expensive

phaser•7th of May 2009

Just wondering is the going to be an API in the new version (7) of Dolphin ? because then ill have to create an API for dolphin so my other script can access from other web site domain and possible to run Dolphin in cluster.

So what i under stand is that Dolphin is aiming for business so the pricing is actually cheap for what you get. it has saved me loads of time and money it gave me a good base on to extend my software.

I my self am a php programmer and have look over almost all of the code see more

Lloyd•7th of May 2009

I usually do not post a comments, but I just have to say something, after I have read all of the above comments.

I have been programming commuters since the early 70's, so I think I know something about software. The fact that Dolphin offers a fully functional free version goes way and above what most software companies do. You have the option to go free or to buy a licensee. What more can you ask for. I just hope that version 7 will continue to offer a free version. I do not personally like see more

onlytruelove•7th of May 2009

Yes I have to agree with many that it is a big jump, But on the other hand we all want a product that works.
And that is going to cost money. and most of us are trying to start a business. so all cost count. I am now living and working in China. In the UK the new costs would not be to much of a problem to find.

I am bit lost, I have a Dolphin License that expires on the 6th November 2009.
Does this get upgraded to a Unlimited License?
( I just checked my license on Utility and it still see more

carnytown•7th of May 2009

ooops. I guess I did not understand the pricing structure when I read it. I will look at it again. I somehow assumed there was no free version any longer. If there is still a free version for 7.0 then that would take care of the newbies and still get pple to try the software. Thats ok, then. If thats the case, then, the pricing structure is fine for people who are in business and want to take a profit from their network. You try it for a few months and then if you have some native success, you buy see more

todaler•7th of May 2009

Ok when you say that people with stars from being a contributor will receive an unlimited license you mean Unlimited Time License?

Romson•7th of May 2009

Hi,

thank you boonex team , can you please upload a file changes info on :
http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/wiki/6.1.4to6.1.5

?

like the diff file here:
http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/wiki/6.1.2to6.1.3

i need this because i have many mods in my dolphin version, so i have to see the file changes in the 6.1.5 version

LeonidS•8th of May 2009•to Romson

Hello!

Download link for comparison report you can find here (we'll renew it):

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/wiki/6.1.4to6.1.5

Regards

meinecommunity•7th of May 2009

Boy, there are a lot of comments about how incredible dolphin software is ... the time it takes to code everything ... the quality of good software ... etc. etc. etc.

Now, far be it from me to claim that boonex doesn't provide a good or even excellent product, but some of those comments about the involved labor time etc. for software are clearly made by people who are still stuck in the 80s and 90s as opposed to the year 2009.

My wife got laid off after 24 years of gold support service, first see more for DEC which was then purchased by Compaq which was in turn purchased by HP. Few people know better than her how automated and responsive (logical) software coding has become. Today, code can be generated for files, software packages, etc. about 100 times faster than 10 years ago ... and that's precisely why such a *MASSIVE* price hike is completely unwarranted.

Have you people never heard of sourceforge.org ???
Give me a break here, I've been online since 1991 or 1992 and at this point in time (today) there is a shit load of top quality software available that costs next to nothing - or nothing - or you just have to pay for branding i.e. ad removal.

Matter of fact, just a few weeks ago I had to make an adjustment on more thna 19.000 files that are visible to the public ... and was able to do this with very affordable software that I had purchased in a matter of about 6 hours. Only 3 or 4 years ago it would have taken me several weeks to do what I was able to do in just 6 hours with about 30.00 bucks worth of software.

Talk about software development ...
Have you ever heard about openoffice.org or used the product openoffice ??? I used (and paid for) Microsoft Office all the way up to version Office 2000. And you know why I stopped using MS office entirely? Because the day eventually came that, in my opinion, OpenOffice got to be just as good if not better ... with free support up the whaazoo and free upgrades for life and *ZERO* cost. How could they do this? Because they had a boat load of developers, just like boonex has outside developers, dedicating their time to create a better product. And OpenOffice didn't come along either, one bright sunny day, going from *FREE* to only 100.00 bucks since that was still way cheaper than MS office. It would have been completely inappropriate to do so, just as I feel that some of these boonex price changes are totally inappropriate.

for those prices, twice the cost of VistaUltimate, MS Office, etc. there *MUST* be 100% support, documentation, etc. If that's not avaialble, then the product is still mediocre, i.e. not FINISHED developed and doesn't warant such prices.

I think that that's why there's so much negativity about the pricing ... the fact that there wasn't ample warning given, the fact that the little guys were completely ignored, and the fact the new pricing structure does indeed smell an awful lot like boonex was just sucking people in for a few years, perhaps using a lot of free help, while waiting for the right moment to go "kablooey" with the prices.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to meinecommunity

That was very insightful Meine - i.e. that this doesn't really follow the spirit of the "open software movement" and "the fact that there wasn't ample warning given, the fact that the little guys were completely ignored, and the fact the new pricing structure does indeed smell an awful lot like boonex was just sucking people in for a few years, perhaps using a lot of free help... ". I don't think there were any bad intentions, and my guess is that they will make some kind of see more

DosDawg•7th of May 2009

Clearly, and i repeat clearly, none of you complaining about the price of this application have ever charged for anything that you have done? if you did charge for a service, i would presume your rates are the same today as they were 8 years ago?

If you didnt purchase an adfree license for whatever reason, thats your loss, Boonex has worked exceedingly hard on this application, and to those of you who have a problem with the cost, how are they supposed to be compensated?

I cant believe that see more

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houstonlively•7th of May 2009•to DosDawg

Who's that old geezer in the cowboy hat?

houstonlively•7th of May 2009•to DosDawg

Who's the old geezer in the cowboy hat?

houstonlively•7th of May 2009•to DosDawg

Didn't mean to post that twice.... got a little spastic with the mouse.

selo12•7th of May 2009

The way I understood the new license system sounds to good to be true IF I understood it right = ) ..
Let's say I got a Dolhin license, a shoutbox license and a video player license... Does this mean that I now got 3 unlimited Dolphin 6.15 licenses? Or did I understand it wrong(?)
Please someone correct me.
If this is the case then it is a huge gift from Boonex to all its members..
And if this is not the case, once again in my opinion we do not have the right to complain about prices..
The software see more

houstonlively•7th of May 2009•to selo12

"two cents from me"

I believe you have some change coming.

( I'm really sorry..... I just couldn't resist)

angelsofdeath•7th of May 2009

hey all would like a lil help i van not get the patch to work iam still running 6.1.4 can sum help plz

mickscool•7th of May 2009

I went through all the comments above and the best one I think was one from 'houstonlively' where he mentioned that if you are charging $800 for a domain you need to provide some real good support but unoboonex commented that it's a small team and currently they are concentrating on development.

I think they should look at the business/licensing model of 'vbulletin'. It's just a forum script but the support they provide is truly awesome. They charge $160 per year for a domain, which is very reasonable see more

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to mickscool

I imagine people will expect spectacular support for their $790 Mickscool, I know I would. That is why I thought that Boonex should have kept the low cost $100 - or maybe $200 for single user domains with no install, and just the forum and two-day email support we have now. I have nothing at all against their $2900 Smartpro license - which offers installation and I imagine enhanced support.

I know what you mean about vBulletin - the forums on those sites are fantastic - as it is on phpBB by see more

Synergy•7th of May 2009

When I first set out to find a community software I looked at all available software. I found Dolphin and fell in love with the possibilities of this product. I knew I wanted to be here for the long haul and opt for SmartPro because I wanted it all for the life of the product and lock in the price for future price increases. In any business there are price increases we may or may not agree with new increase but it's not our call.

Unoboonex, stated in a previous update that they wanted to do see more

Synergy•7th of May 2009•to Synergy

I edited this one to the one below... sorry for the double post.

sammie•7th of May 2009•to Synergy

Synergy
must only be women that seen the light and put in for the long haul.

Synergy•12th of May 2009•to Synergy

Sammie, I have hope for all. Dolphin is truly a wonderful product. Whether they know it or not most are here for the long haul :)

danielmarseille•7th of May 2009

Why a month - you've made so expensive
it is $657 for one year

is twice as expensive as the license 400 days

contributor as I pay $ 50 for 3 months
which is $ 200 per year

talk to you the best price - and you did 3 times more expensive

same by paying $ 20 per month - this is $ 240 per year

webmaster who makes money with dolphin should not be many

because $ 90 + $ 60 per month server = almost $ 150 per month

For my part, if you keep this price - I think I'll have see more

Synergy•7th of May 2009

When I first set out to find a community software I looked at all available software. I found Dolphin and fell in love with the possibilities of this product. I knew I wanted to be here for the long haul and opt for SmartPro because I wanted it all for the life of the product and lock in the price for future price increases. In any business there are price increases we may or may not agree with new increase but it's not our call.

Unoboonex, stated in a previous update that they wanted to do see more

CALTRADE•7th of May 2009•to Synergy

The last refuge on the boat, always wants to pull up the rope Synergy. That is cool that you had $1000 bucks burning a hole in your pocket when you started this, not all of us did.

sammie•7th of May 2009

all this boils down it is this, the people that have never dipped in their purse to support boonex have the option to use the free version that carries only links back to boonex.

Now to show how much you really support boonex you refuse to use it on your sites. and want the adfree free or for peanuts. get a grip.

greymatters•7th of May 2009

Hi UnoBoonex

I was planning to buy SmartPro License for a client. If i buy SmartPro now for 6.1.5, will i get Dolphin 7, 8 in future as upgrades for 5 Domains?

Can i use 2-3 Dolphins 6.1.5 on a single domain, in different folders like D1, D2, D3 with a single License?

Please do not stick to these prices, 6.1.5 is an upgrade, try to increase slowly with Dolphin 7, Dolphin 8...

Try to reduce license fee, and give special offers to buyers ready to buy 3 or more License in one go.

I love see more

edwinjarvis•7th of May 2009

I've been away for the past week. I was about to place my order for contributor status this weekend :(

shaneed•7th of May 2009

Let me see if i got it well... I have a Dolphin Ad-free lycense which did'nt expired, but the apps lycenses did expired. By using this Dolphin Ad-free lycense with the apps will that turn all the features into unlimited lycense?

VictorT•8th of May 2009•to shaneed

Your active license can be applied to the whole package and is unlimited now.

TenZens•7th of May 2009

Been following this thread closely and here are a few of my couple of $0.02:

- When Boonex changed its pricing structure for Dolphin, 'fairness' ONLY required that they did not leave anyone worse off than before. And they have achieved that: no one's worse off under the new pricing regime. People who had the free version (ie did not fork out $$ to use Dolphin) can continue NOT paying a dime under the new pricing regime and still be able to use Dolphin. C'mon, folks, you didn't pay anything see more

DeeEmm•7th of May 2009

Thank you Boonex.

TenZens•8th of May 2009

An 800% price increase of zero is still zero --- or has maths changed since I studied it? Don't you use the free license?
So you're no worse off than before.

Your proposals (and business model) still fly -- just use the free license.

Personally, I don't think it's fair to make Boonex responsible for your business plan (or mine, for that matter).

It's the nature of business -- things change and, when that happens, certain opportunities disappear .. and others appear. That's why we build see more

Leonso•8th of May 2009

I was waiting for months to buy my 7 dolphin license ... With these prices wait nulled version.

Thanks BoonEx for:
Time and unfulfilled promises.
User Support regrettable.
Prices outside of reality.
Etc..

mallorca•8th of May 2009•to Leonso

From waiting for me the same, long time waiting for bug free 6.xxx and so stopped everything, then being told about coming soon 8 with multidomain I'm waiting for that, then being told need step 7 and so waiting for that and now?... in the middle of nowhere.....! I really cant know before that I have to buy a license "just in case" for my promises waiting time..... Maybe Unoboonex have not see this point of view from all the "waiters" at the time he makes his decision, but I'm see more

teamshabazz•8th of May 2009

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with anyone here, but i feel their is one thing people seem to missing. That is, you could always try to find someone else who is a making better free software. Don't pay if you don't want to, it's simple.

But if you are seriously running a 'business' using Dolphin the charges tax deductible and every business has overhead. If your not running a business I don't think it matters if it has ads or not.

Boonex is a business and at the end of the day these see more

Decano01•8th of May 2009

Dear friends, I do not usually participate in forums that the day has only 24 hours, but I read most and try to be always aware. And today I decided to comment for users and the BoonEx team.

For users.

I understand that all those who want to have their social network free of ads (BoonEx) is a commercial or mercantile. Questions. Do they seem expensive to "hire" the best social networking software in the world for $ 290 per year (400 days)?, Seems expensive to buy the best software see more

meinecommunity•8th of May 2009

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People, business owners, webmasters, and upstarts alike. The one thing that can't be gotten around is that the new pricing structure is grossly exaggerated and unprofessional to the max. Are all of the "business owners" and professionals here really that stupid, to believe that that is not the case ??? I'm not talking to all of you who can easily afford 790.00 bucks !!!

FORGET THE FREE APP FOR A MOMENT ....

People who use the free app could care less about the pricing and aren't see more

boogerd•8th of May 2009

Everyone here is crazy bitching about the prices! Look at the work and progress that has been made in just the last year! How do you expect those guys to get paid?? Design is not cheap these days!

Developers, programmers and not to mention - a full package price for everything instead of individual - I think it is a good deal - regardless if you don't use all the bells and whistles. If you run a busy community - sooner or later - the users will want those bells and whistles - and you can see more

boogerd•8th of May 2009

Everyone here is crazy bitching about the prices! Look at the work and progress that has been made in just the last year! How do you expect those guys to get paid?? Design is not cheap these days!

Developers, programmers and not to mention - a full package price for everything instead of individual - I think it is a good deal - regardless if you don't use all the bells and whistles. If you run a busy community - sooner or later - the users will want those bells and whistles - and you can see more

boogerd•8th of May 2009

crap! I hate those double posts!

CALTRADE•8th of May 2009

Really good points Mallorca - that is EXACTLY the situation many of us were in - and Leonso - I have been waiting to hear from people in the developing world on this - Argentina probably isn't in that category, but why are the people from India, China, etc so quiet? I suspect it is because they have no intention of ever paying for this eight fold price increase. With the old pricing, I think many of them would have taken that smaller step to have a legal copy.

p.s. This got posted in the wrong see more

mickscool•8th of May 2009

I might say that I would have to agree with most of the points elaborated by "CalTrade", "Masterindsro" and some other guys who are not too happy with this licensing model..

Guys let's be realistic,why do you expect a person to pay you $790 when you don't provide him this:

Real support - when I say real, I mean the person should get a reply back to his queries in 15-20 mins and he should also be able to contact through phone.

Code is Open-Source and as some people say see more

CALTRADE•8th of May 2009•to mickscool

Excellent points Mickscool - I suspect that the people who pay $790 will expect LOTS of high quality support. I also agree with your point about "free or expensive" - they pulled out that low cost step that was so important to small business - or as another person here put it, the "hurt the little guy" (they didn't use the word "hurt" but I have heard enough obscenities for expressing my opinion here). I just did some quick checking around and it seems that most scripts see more

SilverMage3da•8th of May 2009

Ok, not to seem bone-headed but I'm a bit confused still. I have a Dolphin & Orca 1 year license. What does that mean to me in regards to upgrading?

I wasn't sure we would be keeping Orca as the forums are very limiting at this point, but I was planning on adding a few widgets after the dust cleared from serious site changes, notably chat. So once I upgrade what would I do then?

CALTRADE•8th of May 2009•to SilverMage3da

As I understand it, if you have any license at all - even a one year license (what was that? - $39?) you now have a permanent license for all version up to Dolphin 7 - but someone from Boonex should verify this. Many of us have been begging for a better way to separate out Orca, as there is so much cool stuff on the market, but as I understand it, it is now even more tightly integrated.

CALTRADE•8th of May 2009•to SilverMage3da

By the way, I never really got an answer to my earlier, purely technical question. Does everybody now need to upgrade twice to get to Dolphin 7? Until late last month, everyone was waiting for D7 and we had no one knew D6.1.5 was even being planned. Most people I think had planned to upgrade long ago and were now waiting for the latest date in late June. Now does everyone need to upgrade from D6.1.4 to D6.1.5, and then again to D7? - or will there be an upgrade script for D6.1.4? No big deal see more

Biograpix•8th of May 2009

Powerful software - it's a blessing that I stumbled upon it. I've been wanting to develop a domain name but I was not able to find an open source community builder like BOONEX that meets all my wants on the community. Obviously, I am also very limited on funds - I mean zero on funds. Great job guys and thank you thank you for all the hard work you've put into this project.

apolloboy•8th of May 2009

Hi their, has anyone actually managed to get this new patch to work? I paid for a company to do an upgrade as it seemed quite promising after it was ugraded their was 3 major bugs to start with!! So after informing the company, yes I was'nt the only one to complain, seems Boonex hav'nt actually tested the update yet! So I'm begining to wonder what version 7 is going to be like?

kernelpaniker•8th of May 2009•to apolloboy

It works fine for me. 6.14 to 6.1.5 on a live working social network.

sonnarinternet•9th of May 2009•to apolloboy

I upgraded ours with only a few minor issues.

apolloboy•8th of May 2009

Hi their, has anyone actually managed to get this new patch to work? I paid for a company to do an upgrade as it seemed quite promising after it was upgraded their was 3 major bugs to start with!! So after informing the company, yes I was'nt the only one to complain, seems Boonex hav'nt actually tested the update yet! So I'm begining to wonder what version 7 is going to be like?

apolloboy•8th of May 2009

Hi their, has anyone actually managed to get this new patch to work? I paid for a company to do an upgrade as it seemed quite promising. Well that was a mistake after it was upgraded their was 3 major bugs to start with!! So after informing the company, yes I was'nt the only one to complain, seems Boonex hav'nt actually tested the update yet! So I'm begining to wonder what version 7 is going to be like?

Robbie•8th of May 2009

Thank you all very much, what a great job you have done. Again well done

siana•8th of May 2009

Hello,so what if I had purchased $99 lifetime license of both dolphin and orca,what do I get for ? (Two dolphin with two domains) 6.1.5?
And where to download the upgrade?
How to get my second dolphin 6.1.5?can I get it later,will there be in my account?

Thank you!
siana

Zine•8th of May 2009

apolloboy,
I put the new patch in yesterday (thursday the 8th).
The only adjustments I had to make was to the .htaccess files and put back in to it the pages that I had created. no other adjustment needed there for me (other than the ones required by the patch). (always backup)
This was no problem since i had the back up and it was just a matter of copy and past those pages back in to the htaccess. Didn't take bust a second just about 10 lines. after that everything worked like a dream.
the only see more

RuralMn•9th of May 2009

This is great work - thanx!

lancashiredates•9th of May 2009

OK I need to get my two pennies worth!

First of all Boonex you provide a fantastic set of products and best of all they can be used free without any limitations.... WOW you have to be commended for that.

Second to all the complainers... What is wrong with you? Boonex have worked hard and listened to what people want and need to develope a second to none community software package... Step back and look at the big picture!
If you can't yet afford the licence so what at least you get the priveledge see more

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CALTRADE•9th of May 2009•to lancashiredates

Lancanshire - there is nothing "wrong with us" - why would you express it that way? We are just expressing our opinions - and have been subject to personal attacks and foul language as a result. Absolutely no one is saying we don't think Boonex products are great - we wouldn't be here otherwise, and no one is saying that the people at Boonex didn't work there asses off. I'm sure they did, as did many (perhaps most) people here. Some sites can use the free version with no affect at all see more - perhaps they already have tons of advertising, but there are many other reasons why some sites wouldn't want to advertise a software company, even in there earliest iteration. There is also absolutely no one here saying that Boonex doesn't "deserve to be successful". We all want Boonex to be successful. In my opinion, however, this makes them less likely to get there. With the free version, and low cost license, I think they had a real chance to become the "industry standard" (i.e. the next big thing), with these prices, I think that is much less likely. It is rare for companies to do a price increase of 50 percent or more without some advance notice, as they know people who had been planning to buy their product at the lower price would be less likely to do so. Had they doubled, or perhaps even tripled the license prices, I people still wouldn't have liked it, but it would have been within range of other scripts of this genre.

From my point of view, this was a strange decision. As I understand it, all the people who have bought any kind of license at all, now have an permanent, unlimited license - in fact, by some interpretations, they have multiple licenses (see Siana's post above). I doubt many of them will be rushing out to buy the new $790/$2900 license - in fact, I doubt if anyone of them will for some time, unless they have a pressing business need.

I doubt if too many of the people who don't have licenses will be rushing out either- why would they? Some may have to, but the vast majority will now put that off as long as possible. What Boonex essentially did I think, was vastly increase the "sell cycle" time of their product. People will wait longer before purchasing, and be far more demanding on support issues.

I could be wrong. Maybe those new licenses will sell like hot cakes. I just don't see people rushing out to buy something for $790 just a few days ago. Reasonable people can disagree, so let me ask you something. Suppose instead of an 800 percent price increase, this had been 10 times that, and Boonex had announced that effective immediately, the new price would be $7,900. Would you still be still be calling us "complainers" and telling us that Boonex deserves this prices because the software is fantastic and because they have worked so hard? What if they raised the price to $20,000 - would you say the same thing? For people who just got free licenses, or those for whom money is no object, for others who based our plans on what we have read here, it is.

In economics there is a concept called "the point of diminishing returns" - I just think Boonex way overshot that mark, that's all. I also think they left money on the table. Few of their existing license holders will pay them ever again - they won't need to, and people who have not bought licenses will delay and postpone- and probably look for alternatives, as there is no longer any incentive for them to buy.

I don't have time for too many more posts in this subject - I think people know my opinion, but I just once again want to drive home the point. We ALL want Boonex to be successful, and we want the software to continue to be developed and to be awesome, we just have different ideas on how Boonex should go about that.

Rob

HernanL•10th of May 2009•to lancashiredates

I also think pricing changes should be announced with enough time to allow prospectives to purchase before or after (usually it´s before).
I´ll tell you a very funny anecdote. On my first and so far only (will go again soon I hope) trip to London, I was at a typical pub in the Soho area and while I was drinking my gin & tonic, the bar tender hit a bell repeatedly, like in Hooters (USA), when someone gives a tip. So I thought, cool! Like Hooters!! Instantaneously I was thinking of boobs and see more

CALTRADE•10th of May 2009•to lancashiredates

Good analogy Hernan! Boonex "rang the bell" - and if you didn't buy a drink before that you were out of luck. Even from purely a business perspective, this was a strange decision in my opinion. Existing paying customers are always the best potential source for new sales and revenue, but they have now all been given free lifetime licenses so most of them have no reason to pay Boonex ever again. The people with the Smartpro licenses in particular have no reason (and they are the ones see more

tradgo•10th of May 2009

Update to 6.1.5
1. IM messenger does not load
2. Chat - hidden users (or can not enter)

sorry... :(

HernanL•10th of May 2009•to tradgo

Soutbox, upload video and audio don´t work either...

Login from main link on header doesn´t work either.

tradgo•10th of May 2009•to tradgo

boonex.us IM messenger does not load :(

CALTRADE•10th of May 2009•to tradgo

Is anyone experiencing super-slow load times on the admin back-end? I have a 6.1.4 on the same server where it is not an issue. I haven't tested on the front end yet, but sure hope the problem isn't there also.

ZopfWare•10th of May 2009

Just want to put my 2 cents woth in... We supply the FREE version of Dolphin to any of our customers that want it. Most of the customers are ok with the ads that appear on their sites using the free version. It's not like they can't put up some of their own ads along with the Boonex ads. What's the big difference if you are looking at getting some ad revenue?
Also, as a hosting provider, I am glad that the new ads are only for Boonex and not for "Pet" hosting companies that detract see more

HernanL•10th of May 2009

Yes, Rob. I´m with Hostgator, testing at the time, and yes, it´s too slow. Sometimes it freezes while uploading pictures, too.
I thought it might had something to do with hostgator, but since I also have some issued with v6.15, I was waiting to get them fixed before complaining about server speed.
Rgds,
H

sevir•11th of May 2009

opensource, great!!! really I need it this!!!.

manprit•11th of May 2009

great....thats really a good news....love you for your efforts

nrirac•11th of May 2009

Boonex Team,

I have one dolphin, orca & ray A/ V chat (all annual) working on same single site. How much more Dolphin Unlimited Permanent License I will get?

I got one Dolphin Unlimited Permanent License by donation in the same above account today 11.05.2009.

Medfordite•11th of May 2009

I for one am sick of the people who are "quit complaining" about the license fees etc..

I didn't want to do this because it really isn't anyone's business. But...like I have said before I am out of work due to the economy. What savings I had are now gone, and believe me, I went into 'emergency' mode of money savings, expenditures and so on.

I met my soon to be wife on Craigslist of all places, but I am here to tell you that was not an easy feat, with all the unknowns out there. see more We "lucked" out in finding each other. My best man is a young widower and uses the dating sites out there. One common complaint from everyone I polled that was single is there is not a locally based site for matchmaking. And if there is, it is hideously expensive and then you are lucky to get a match that is at the least 30 miles away from you. So, in came the idea to set up a matchmaking site locally based. (Think back to the 70's and 80's when there used to be an influx of dating agencies - now it is online anymore).

When I started looking for software, I had previous experience with working with Tufat's scripts. I went ahead and "gambled" on paying $5 for the script which allowed me to install on my server. I found the script to be very awesome, and very clean, professional and easy to use. My users seemed to like it, but let me ask any true webmaster, when you are done with a script, are you more likely to keep "tweaking" it, adding features etc, to keep it fresh? I am one of those that love to "Tim Allen" things and try to get the most out of them and then some. OsDate wasn't flexible enough for me so I went looking and found Dolphin on Hotscripts.

I installed that on my server and counted the loss of members (about 20 at the time), small and relaunched with Dolphin. but before doing so, I knew this would be the final time I would lose members for this reason so I settled with Dolphin, and scraped up $39 for the annual fee to remove the "powered by" stuff. Since, I am trying to get established in terms of being a locally based site, I want to keep "copycats" from spotting what I am doing and try to oust me from the scene, so yeah...the ad free was what I had to do. After installing and ironing out some bugs, I have managed to get around 50 members by advertising free on Craigslist (getting flagged everytime), but the member base is there. Now, I know this is small in terms of dating sites and of course, we need more members and more activity. So, I am left with the requirement of advertising on billboards, print media, radio, etc to get more people in there. So, things are going that way eventually but can't. (I will explain a roadblock on this in just a minute)

I was quite happy to keep the ad free version going sans Ray and Orca. Since my domain name is about to expire, I figured I would move servers since Orca doesn't play nice with my current host when it came time to renew. So, that is in the plan. Anyway, when Unoboonex announced the expansion of the whole license to include Ray and Orca, I was like a little kid on Christmas day. Needless to say, I was stoked. Then I came to a couple of realizations:

The roadblock I am referring to is that the same fee that the annual subscription that Boonex is asking is about the same as it is to use just ONE advertising medium for one month. At this point for me, I cannot even afford to plunk out $5 a month or more for anything extra (anyone try to pay for a wedding lately?). So, my site is going to be stagnant for a while longer until I get some advertising revenue.

What differentiated Dolphin from some of the other projects out there was the price for ad free and that is what sold me on it. Now, if I was doing the Shopping now instead of a few months back, I would move on as this would be one of those that Caltrade has referred to.

For established businesses, the price is simply good. The company I used to work at didn't flinch at paying for a lot of software that they didn't use. Money wasn't an object to them and they were 100% self funded. (still are I would figure). Anyway, I was responsible at times for buying software, office supplies, computer hardware etc, as needed. If the need were to come to them to use Social networking software, or Dating software (Not likely for them), then looking at the $2900 fee or whatever it is would be a drop in the bucket to them. More power to them and so be it.

If Boonex is looking at cornering those markets out there that have the funding, I am all for it. More power to Boonex.

I agree with those that are calling for a different forum or whatnot similar to what apparently was there for the contributor. The free users get help in those areas, but the paying members - that is the ones who at least paid for the $39 ad-free privilege legally btw, to at least have a support area on up.

Now, when I become financially stable and able to pay for the annual fee later on, I would expect to get my money's worth so to speak. Not that the "Powered by" isn't worth it, it is especially when you compare that fee to one month's advertising. But, extra perks such as getting access to those "Special" forums would make it an added bonus. If the folks at Boonex can't do it, I am sure that someone who is fluent in Boonex scripting and isn't working for them would be willing to volunteer to help out in those areas. :)

My whole point behind this is, yeah, I am a bit stunned by the whole license fee increase, decrease, change, or whatever you wish to call it. It is what it is, I cannot change it so I am left with the decision to go in and see where things go a few months down the road for me. I am not wanting to complain about the cost, but hope others can see where I was trying to go with this whole thing.

For us startups, every little bit of $$ is essential and scarce until we can get a steady flow of finances pumped into our bank account. It just "raised the bar" so to speak in regards to how high we in turn are willing to reach the bar's location.

Zarcon•11th of May 2009

I cannot believe I just sat here and read all of these comments. Funny though. Although some of us may be more experienced webmasters than others, doesnt mean that they dont take pride in their work also. I for one have built many of sites, some better than others, however I love this Dolphin software. I cannot afford a lifetime license but you also wont hear me bitchin either :). I do have one question that concerns me, I want to do this upgrade but how will it effect the Mods I have installed already. see more

jboyte•12th of May 2009

Is there any link to download the source for the flash apps for ray chat? I really want to make some simple changes to better fit out site. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE! ... And yes I did donate ... Thanks for a great product!