In reply to Matt said "NO"
CodeSatori
A division into herbivore and carnivore is somewhat artificial. There is of course the category of omnivores, species that eat both meat and plants, also featuring a number of primates --- that hunt in packs, just like early humans used to.

Meat eating isn't something that humans have recently invented, meat has been an important source of human nutrition since early prehistoric times. The amount of vegetables in our diet has only increased with the dawn of agriculture within the last 10,000 years.

Humans see more have known the use of fire and have used it to cook their food since days predating the rise of Homo Sapiens. Incidentally we also cook and season the bulk of the vegetables we eat. Raw potato, anyone?

As far as cultivating compassion etc. goes, every emotion is integrally tied with our perception of the world; and as much as perceptions vary, the applications of subjective emotions do. A believer in plant sentience would rather see an animal harmed if it were necessary for nutrition.

There is also a whole other body of considerations when it comes to direct and indirect violence. If you don't eat locally grown organic vegetables and fruits, the amount of violence associated in the planting, harvesting and delivery process is unbelievable.

For example, you could rephrase the question: "For every breadroll you eat, insects and mice will be killed by poisons and in the jaws of huge machines. Do you really want to eat that bread?"

If someone wants to be an ahimsa (non-violence) absolutist, I suggest you study Jainism and their solutions. They have pretty much taken it as far as it goes.
Andrew Boon
Perhaps it's just a weird direction of our moral dogmas. Maybe we should've maintain animals reputation as a food, and just that. I wouldn't worry then, I guess.

I am trying to ask my feelings about what's right and what's not. "Bread and dead mice" doesn't feel right. I'd try to change it somehow. Causing pain to a live being doesn't FEEL right to me either. Scientific reasoning or even logic is way less important. Even if we were created to eat meat doesn't mean we should keep on see more doing it. We don't have wings, but we started flying. We have limited sight, but we now see remote galaxies. We now try to avoid wars, cure deceases, plans flowers, build temples even protect animals. Our feelings evolve and when we listen to them we become better humans.

So, I felt that since we already need guts to see slaughtering it's probably the time to re-consider.
CodeSatori
All this seemed very clear-cut to me years back --- in fact I recall giving a decent number of sermons along the lines of some of the highlights of your blog. And I appreciate the heart of it, I do.

It was when I started digging deeper into the harm that any and all kinds of food production cause, and that coupled with an understanding of plant sentience and our sort of sentience not being the navel of the universe, it scattered my marbles pretty good.

We only feel easy about killing plants see more because we have so little in common with them. The question is, do we have the right to make humanity the standard for judging the rest of existence? On a more fundamental level, existence is so much more vast than our human worlds and the diverse standards of moral and ethics we have grown accustomed to over the millennia.

While I appreciate all the values behind the animal rights and vegetarian / vegan movements, I personally like to see all ideologies reach their conclusion, not stay hanging mid-way --- and the levels of absolutism required for some of these ideals to stay true are practicable for a naked Jain holy man who eats only fruit and filters his water to avoid killing small organisms.

When the natural conclusion of an ideology leads to something impracticable, it's hard for me to stay at a mid-way conclusion and remain true to myself. That doesn't feel right either.
 
 
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