houstonlively
All I am saying is, that I believe you are overlooking a very important point.... that of aesthetic appeal. You drew a comparison between your site and the other, and believe that the other is growing faster because of the social engine platform. That may or may not be the case. It certainly isn't because the other site has more compelling content, because it doesn't. It definitely isn't because the other site has a better set of features, because it doesn't. I simply pointed out one obvious see more thing the other site has that yours doesn't. Maybe better visual appeal will improve growth rate, maybe it won''t.... but how will you ever know?

You said you were throwing everything at it but the kitchen sink, Did you mean to say, "I am throwing everything at it but the kitchen sink or a fresh new look."? What have you got to lose? (Except the $40 price of a new template, that is.)
CALTRADE
I can just tell you what I have observed - that everyone has their own opinion of what looks good. I have had people give me their sites as example of what looks good and I thought they looked like crap. The guy who designed my logo is highly visual - and he thinks the site looks ok, but he absolutely freaked out that the "join" button is red. "join means stop" he said. I don't think the base template for Dolphin looks all that bad, though I know some people think the template see more is the only thing that is important and do that first. I have looked at a few of your sites, and while I like some of your content, frankly they don't appeal to me visually at all.

I don't particularly think the appearance of that site but recognize that my tastes may be different and some people may like it. I don't think that is the factor though - I think if my site looked exactly like that I would still have the problem. Let's leave me out of it though. Show me a Dolphin site that is beautiful and successful - or more specifically successful because it is beautiful. I do thing ascetics are important - but so is solid functionality, and if that is missing no amount of "beauty" will save you.

As I said on Zarcon's comment, right now I am actively engaged in discussions there - and have already made new contacts, the alerts are properly designed and it is easy to know what people are doing - even though it is a crude site that was just thrown up a week ago.
CALTRADE
By the way, you have been involved with this technology for several years now, have you not? You seem to be intelligent and certainly highly technically proficient, do you have any site that have anything approaching "traction" yet that you would put up for critique as a good example. If not traction, do you have any sites that you think at least have good user engagement? If not engagement, do you even have any sites with a significant number of members?

All I am saying I guess, see more is there are lots of smart people in this community - with different kinds of "intelligence" - and I don't see anyone of them that seem to be a stunning success. If I am wrong, please let me know and show me the link. I do like to emulate successful approaches.
houstonlively
Let's get one thing straight before it spirals out of control. My opinions on the importance of aesthetics were just meant as constructive criticism. Please don't take them so personally. I will say no more on the subject. With that said.....

I have yet to attempt to launch a site with any sort of effort. This is deliberate. Every time I have tested the waters in the past, some Dolphin malfunction created an embarrassment for me, and I just got tired of embarrassments. I am still waiting see more on what I would term a stable enough, and user friendly enough platform for my applications. The latest embarrassing moment was when last week, an oil company exec took a look at the industry related site I am working on.... or at least tried to. I wonder what he thought of me when instead of seeing the site, he got a blank white page with the message, "All Terabyte-Hosting servers have been suspended due to non payment", Little things like that can bite you in the ass. It always seems that something goes wrong at the worst possible time.

From what I've seen, 7.1 will address a lot of problems, but as we all know where Dolphin is concerned, the solution to a problem, merely changes the nature of the problem. I'm not putting anymore effort into any of my sites until I have a stable 7.1 available, and who really knows how long that will be. Perhaps all 4 of my sites disappearing into a black hole was a blessing. One of the sites, I will probably just abandon. I will give top priority to the last site I showed you... I won't mention the name here because all it will get me is a bunch of spammers. The second priority will be the energy related site... I might move that to #1 because I have a ton of connections in that area. Houstonlively.com made a lot of sense when I first tried to put it online with 6.1... what was that, 4 years ago? At that time, the migration from Myspace to FB was just beginning, and the timing was right to try and develop a local social network. That opportunity is long gone and no longer makes sense. I'm going to shift the focus of the site more towards an informational site with less of an emphasis on social networking. Think local business directory on steroids. Of course, all the social networking functions will still be there if people choose to use them. I guess I can say all of the sites I am envisioning will be more information oriented than networking.

As far as a successful Dolphin site? My personal opinion is that a successful Dolphin site has yet to exist. It is my opinion that most people here adjust their definition of success to fit their mental needs..... kinda like that guy across the pond that had 17,000 completely useless accounts. He had every module on earth installed, 17,000 "members", and no one online... ever.... but he created a forum post to blow his horn about how successful his site was. Go figure that one out.
CALTRADE
HL - this wasn't intended as a slam against you - your sites don't appeal to me visually but it it entirely possible that I just have bad visual tastes - I do tend to like things that aren't too loud. My post was that in this case I don't think the visual issue is the problem. It has something to do with the functionality I think. On Dolphin it is deeply buried and difficult to use while on that other site the functionality is on the surface and immediately available. What should be of concern see more to everyone is your statement that "a successful Dolphin site has yet to exist" - I don't see where people have posted any here - just more "Rob you suck" posts. I already know I suck, I am trying to find out who doesn't suck here so I can emulate them. I also agree that number of members is not a good measure of success, though it is one measure. That is why I made this point about "engagement".
 
 
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