Help with server requirements

Hello everyone..I am a complete newbee to all this dedicated stuff...

I found a dedicated hosting...but its asking fr all these features...I will really appreciate if someone helps me out with this.

I want to install Dolphin 7 and RMS 7.

Here are the details: (tell me which one to pick)

 

1. KVM/IP

- KVM Over IP on demand over a 24 hour period

- KVM Dedicated

 

2. Operating System

- Enterprise Linux - Cent OS

- Debian (Doesnt have cpanel)

- Ubuntu Server LTS (Doesnt have cpanel)

 

3. Control Panel (Comes onli with Cent OS)

- None/SSH Only

- None/Apache-PHP-MySQL-Qmail-FTP-SSH

- Cpanel/WHM Internal (Costs Extra)

- Plesk Parrallels 100 (Costs Extra)

 

4. MS SQL Server (Comes only with Windows..Do i need it?)

 

I would realli appreciate if anyone of you can help me with this.

If i can go without paying extra for cpanel or plesk...it would be great....and that KVM dedicated also costs extra.

 

Please tell me if there are additional requirements that i need to ask from my hosting provider. I already looked up the requirements page and it says i need jave runtime or something...Does it install on Cent OS?

 

Waiting for a feedback...Cheers

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/wiki/DolTech

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

A dedicated server needs to be managed, if your site is new, I really don't know why you got a dedicated server, specially if you don't know how too manage it.....Those are just of the first issues you will come across..

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A dedicated server needs to be managed, if your site is new, I really don't know why you got a dedicated server, specially if you don't know how too manage it.....Those are just of the first issues you will come across..

 Well...The site is new...what alternate would you suggest...i have a shared hosting..but i cannot run ray media server...

There is Managed Level 1 free with the server...Is it really that hard to manage a dedicated server? I dnt wana sound irritating...but can u address some basic issues?

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

To runs RMS you don't need a dedicated server, just a host which has RMS...you are problaly paying over $80 a month on a dedicated server, I use to pay $5 a month and had RMS...

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

If you can't run RMS on a shared server, that means the host is not made for Dolphin...

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

 

If you can't run RMS on a shared server, that means the host is not made for Dolphin...

 Micky, that's not true as to the reason that you can't run RMS on a shared server.  RMS has to be installed by the root user in the true root of the server.  For this reason you need to have root access which shared accounts don't have.  To help out, I'll explain this like Dosdawg explained it to me a year or so ago.

 

Look at a Server like you would a 10 Story Apartment Building with 10 Apartments per floor.

 

Now, the shared server means you get 1 apartment out of the 100.  Just one apartment on 1 floot, your sharing all your utilities with the entire building in this scenario & you have a building super who handles everything for you. 

 

Next up, the VPS.  The VPS is like having an entire floor of the building.  You get more control as it's more like a condo than an apartment.  You can make whatever adjustments you want to it and manage it as you see fit, but you still have access to the building server (host manager) to take care of things you need upon request.  It still shares utilities with the rest of the building, but you get your own hook-ups for certain items.

 

Finally, we have the Dedicated Server which has no other apartments in it.  It's completely yours and you own & manage all aspects of it.  Now, you can hire a building super to manage it for you if you need to, but they will cost you a little each month to deal with it and you still have to make the decisions on things, they only follow orders for the most part at that point.

 

Now VPS & Dedicated Servers come with "root" access and thus they can install their own RMS, as they have a hard partition in place to stop the other accounts from accessing it.  It's like when you partition your hard drive and install Linux on one partition & Windows on the other.  They share the same memory & cpu but they don't interfere with each other outside of that.  A shared server just doesn't have these partitions and if it gave you root access then you'd freely be able to move from account to account.

 

Suggestion:  Your looking to run your won RMS and you don't have experience with a Dedicated server yet.  Kill the deal you have on the Dedicated Server and switch over to a host that offers a true VPS server that you can run your own RMS on if you want/need it.  I only know of one myself and not advertising here with names, but if you look around I'm sure you'll find many more.

 

***And yes, I know a VPS is a shared type of server, but it's a shared with a hard partition on it and root access.  That's why it's a VPS.

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

Mydatery, you are wrong,,my site is on a shared server and my host provides RMS. If you have a host which doesn't have RMS and you want to install RMS, YES, you need a dedicated server so you can install RMS yourself..My current host does provide RMS ona shared service...

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

If you would like too know my host ,let me know and I'll post it...

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Mydatery, you are wrong,,my site is on a shared server and my host provides RMS. If you have a host which doesn't have RMS and you want to install RMS, YES, you need a dedicated server so you can install RMS yourself..My current host does provide RMS ona shared service...

 Thank you for proving my point there Mickey.  If you want to run your OWN RMS then you have to have a VPS or Dedicated server.     If your on a shared plan then you can lease RMS off your host or anyone else you choose, no I don't share my RMS. 

 

Now, it might seem that you've never had a VPS so you probably wouldn't know about those.  Perhaps Boonex would like to even chime in on this one, or perhaps some of the REAL hosts that offer VPS service.  In the meantime, please don't call me out unless you know exactly what your talking about.  We've discussed this issue in regards to RMS at least a 100 times and it hasn't changed and isn't looking to change in the near future.

 

To install your own RMS you need to have ROOT ACCESS and that is available only on a VPS or Dedicated Server.  If your on a Shared Server then you may lease RMS from your host or anyone else who choose to lease RMS Services to you.  A lot of hosts do that, but I prefer to not depend on anyone else to make sure all of my functions are working!

 

 

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

 

Mydatery, you are wrong,,my site is on a shared server and my host provides RMS. If you have a host which doesn't have RMS and you want to install RMS, YES, you need a dedicated server so you can install RMS yourself..My current host does provide RMS ona shared service...

 And just to prove the point a little further, at this link:


 

 

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/wiki/DolTech


 

 

You will find:


 

If you're going to use media streaming features in some Flash apps, you should have VPS or Dedicated server in order to install and run RMS (Ray Media Server). You should be able to access root or administrator account on that server. JRE (Java Runtime Environment) ver. 1.6 or higher should be installed on the server as well.


Don't think I need to say much more on this topic. 

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

MyDatery is right, it's better to have a virtual dedicated server or dedicated server with root access to manage the programs yourself. If not you'll most likely run into complications down the road regarding a plethora of issues. My server came blank.

 

Mario

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

As I said, if you want to install your own RMS on the server, you need a dedicated server, IF YOU WANT TOO INSTALL ANYTHING ON YOUR OWN SERVER, YOU NEED YOUR OWN DEDICATED SERVER ANYWAYS...and as I said before, my host provides RMS on a shared hosting plan....No need to pay for a dedicated server when you are starting out....I don't care what anyone else has written or what ever facts they think of, All I know is what my host provides...

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

MyDatery is right, it's better to have a virtual dedicated server or dedicated server with root access to manage the programs yourself. If not you'll most likely run into complications down the road regarding a plethora of issues. My server came blank.

Mario

This is not about whats better....

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

If you want advice on whether or not they are a good host for new boonex user then share the name of the darn host so we can tell you if we've ever used them and if they are worth a damn.

Otherwise it's better to have your own server because just Having an RMS for hosted sites to utilize does not always mean it will work for what you intend.

 

Mario

 

 

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

Yep Mario, you are correct, my current host had a hosting plan just for Dolphin...

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

I forgot too add..."Devilbandit" if you would like to cut your monthly cost and have RMS  for every low cost, PM me and I'll guide you. Your site is small and their is no need for a dedicated server, don't listen to "Mygaytery".. He only writes about things other ppl tell him ...Cool

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I forgot too add..."Devilbandit" if you would like to cut your monthly cost and have RMS  for every low cost, PM me and I'll guide you. Your site is small and their is no need for a dedicated server, don't listen to "Mygaytery".. He only writes about things other ppl tell him ...Cool

You know, I don't really care about the results of this one:

 

1.  Go back to school and learn about something besides how to run your mouth mickey... You got no clue as to what your talking about here.  The Original Post is about how to get an RMS running on the server he has.  Not as to how to make yourself look smart, unfortunately that won't even happen if you paint a giant:

 

I'M SMART!

 

 In the middle of your forehead, it'll still be masked by the giant "L" that has been permanently imprinted from your birth. 

 

Now, if you don't know what a VPS is, then just own up to it and move on.  But, to accuse me of writing what people tell me:  That is the biggest joke in the world.  I have owned the VPS in the past and today I own a Cluster of Deds that run on an SQL Load Balancer.  Do you know what a Load Balancer is or what it does? 

 

 

I know you don't, so let me help ya out here little one:

 

1.  Let's say you have 80K members and 4 servers.  But your most active members are the last 35K to join.  Well, according to basic theories, those profiles would be at the end of the DB and load up one server while the others sat.  With a Load Balancer, we ignore what server the profile was originally sitting on instead utilize the resources of all servers equally.  Now, when there are 40K members on the site and 35K of them are the last 35K to join, instead of loading that last 1 or 2 servers in the cluster (which was the issue that server banks had) we load the servers equally so that each is holding connection to 10K and the resources of all 4 servers become available across the board.  Of course, this means that all members will get equal load times and such whatever page they are viewing, with the exception of course that limitation will apply based upon the end users hardware.  Hope that confused your brain cell.

 

2.  Next up, I have never utilized and never will utilize a shared hosting plan for the following reasons dufas:

 

  • I'm not poor like you so I don't have to.
  • I have control over my servers, what they run and do not run the risk of a Mickey Mouse idiot accidentally slipping into my files because security wasn't set right and he wanted to go chase Minnie around the processor.
  • I tend to run development items that you haven't imagined yet.  Such as a communications wall, multi-ticket purchases for events, tons of different profile types & membership leves (Damn, haven't seen that trick before have you little one) Comments sections that run through a spam filter (yeah, you guys might have it for e-mail, but I got it on the comments too) and so many other uniquely special toys.  Hell, I bet you even have to login to phpMyAdmin to run an SQL file, uploading it as a .txt file of course.  Hmmmm... Why am I running them from my Admin panel then little one?  Especially if I know nothing about anything. 

3.  I run my own RMS because it's safer and means I don't have to be dependent upon anyone else to get it up and running should it fail.  Think about it little brain.  If your hosts RMS goes down and they are not in at the moment, then your down until they come back and refire it regardless of what you try to do on your end.  That is such a nice proposition, to sit and stare at a screen with an eternal connecting icon rolling on it, all because your to POOR to be able to spring the 40 bucks for a VPS even.  In the meantime, your members are relieving themselves all over the net with negative remarks about your site not working and you have NO control over getting it back up.  Yeah, keep typing e-mails to the host, I'm sure that'll make your site work.  If not, it'll at least help to increase your blood pressure as you realize your at their mercy.

 

Now, in the end I have SSH Access... You Don't.  I have root Access, You Don't!  I have my own RMS, you have to lease and depend on someone else!  I get to decide what php version I'll run, you Don't.  I get to decide my security levels based upon what I need, You Don't!  I get to control my upload limits, You Don't!  I get to do so many other cool things, like set up mod_security and mod_sentry... Or perhaps I want it to run suhosin for it's security settings....  You Don't because your not mature enough to understand these things yet. 

 

Next time you want to come in here and try to take me on via your little bash statements, make sure you have a clue what your talking about.  There is not a single individual out there that will recommend a shared hosting plan (except for the host who is selling it to you) over a VPS or Dedicated Plan.  Shared is notoriously hacked as it has to many issues regarding cross server files, idiots finding ways to move from domain to domain and just overall a stupid idea.  Of course, look who I'm talking to as I use the words "stupid" and "idiot".

 

 

I'll finsih up this rant with this quote from you MickyB... You said it on October 26th at 2:22AM and I quote:

 

" All I know is what my host provides..."

That's right Ricky Bobby... I mean MickyB, all you know is what your host provides and therefore you need to go and learn many more things before you attempt to insult and push people around.

And a final note to the wise:

I was being polite until you screwed with my screenname and turned it into an offensively pornographic version. 

Quote · 26 Oct 2009

Its real simple here people.

- Devilbandit, if you do not know how to manage your own server, DONT purchase that type of web hosting.

- You CAN have a RMS package on a shared hosting plan (I do it)

My advise to you would be to purchase a minimum shared web hosting plan (dont need 1TB of webspace). Purchase a RMS package if your host does not provide one. You would only be spending about 25.00 a month. Mission accomplished. Want to browse some hosts? Check the Ads section here at Unity.

oh yeah, Mydatery, as right as you are, you can STILL create havoc in these forums huh...haha

Nothing to see here
Quote · 26 Oct 2009

Guys this is becoming aggresive...

C i know the options...

- Have a shared hosting with your HOST RUNNING RMS so you can share the RMS (I dont want that)

- Have a VPS (i would go for it)

- Have a dedicated server (i found a realli good deal which is almost as the same price as most of the vps)

 

So thats the thing...with this dedicated server i would get more space and unmetered bandwidth...all i wanted was simple advice guys...i dint expect u to fight over it.

 

Now one simple questions....very simple...please dont get aggressive over it...but before i get you guys off topic...i expect my site to host a lot of media(music and video) so i dnt wana compromise on bandwidth or storage.

 

The question is...

VPS vs Dedicated (I know what they are..)

- I had a cpanel on my shared hosting...i installed dolphin in less than 5 mins...Is it the same experience in vps or dedicated with cpanel?

- For Ray Media Server...I spoke to the tech...they said they can install it for me...So will i need to get it re-installed everytime dolphin 7 comes up with a new beta or is it standard for all the betas?

- Can v install JRE on linux(CentOS)...if yes...is it easy or will i need an expert....?

Quote · 27 Oct 2009

Hi

So far I don't see any reason to change RMS anyhow as no problems were found in it. So you can install RMS for Dolphin 7 beta and use it for the officially released Dolphin 7.0.

JRE installation is easy. Just download the installation binary file, make it executable and execute it.

Quote · 28 Oct 2009
 
 
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