i am still working on the situation andrey, and thanks for your help sorry i went off on you bud. i get frustrated with those who post a link thinking that is the answer without actually trying that themselves. the sitaution lies deeper than even i suspected. i had something going on with base_dir. i still havent found out from support exactly what it was that they had done to get the [L[Forums]] to go away, i do know they said they exempted the user from the base_dir restriction, then that didnt see more work, so they exempted the domain name from the restriction. that must have worked, but we didnt know exactly as i was tweaking like fiend on the php.ini file and trying whatever i could to get it to work.

your help is appreciated, and i apologize for my onslaught towards you.

later,
DosDawg