Will somebody at Boonex please answer these questions?

What on earth controls chat video quality?  Mine is total crap.

Why does video processing take so long?  A 5mb video takes almost 20 minutes to process.  That's ridiculous.

You need ask this from Rayzzz or LeonidS

Seriously?  I don't recall Rayz ever posting in the forums.  You are welcome to have him visit this thread, and explain to all of us how this works.

Send him a message in his mailbox here

HL,

I tested out my video chat recently with another member since we had last discussed the issue regarding chat video quality. Keep in mind, I have not installed any type of 'enhanced video' module or even tried to edit my files to increase video quality. We were using both audio and video and to be honest, I did not see any problems with it. Now if you attempt to 'zoom' the video or resize it bigger that default, I have seen it loose pixel quality to some degree (still not too bad though).

As far as the video processing, I have noticed that it does take a little longer for videos to process since my 7.0.4 upgrade. I personally think it has something to do with 'hard coded' codecs or something. Even if you remove the option to use H264, the process seems to take about the same amount of time. For me this is about 1 - 1 1/2 minutes to each MB of video. (example - 10MB video = 13-15 minutes process time).

Hello

Video quality in the chat can be regulated via settings in chat settings. It depends on webcam your internet connection and your server speed.

Video processing is performed via cronjobs, so you should keep in your mind that processing is started only with the next cronjob iteration (once in 5 minutes by default). H264 encoding takes more time than the simple one.

I have my video quality set to 100% in chat admin.  The only thing I can say about  my video quality is, that it IS 100% crap,  It is a low resolution, looks like about 12 FPS.

Are you telling me that is as good as it gets?

Come on Rayz.  Don't be so stingy with the information.  There has to be something else controlling video quality.  The setting says `100%.

100% of WHAT??

You may also elaborate on what can be done to speed up video processing times, because it is unacceptably long. If we can't turn to you for these answers, then who?

Please, please take this a little more seriously, and put some thought into your answer.  Go ahead and get technical... we can take it.

Why does this have to be kept a deep, dark secret.  These drive-by one line answers, drive me nuts.

I agree, for all the work and stuff I have put into this, its total crap.

Arvix (my hosting) tells me its all boonex errors.

Well I know its NOT boonex so it must be rayz --- right?

I have argued with them (arvixe) and now told them I'll be moving my darn site to another host.

NOW it seems they are right...partially.

Its NOT boonex, but a factor inside something I purchased.

The processing is total BS, the missing parts in video AFTER processing is BS.

WHAT now?? ... will rayz fix all it?

Hello

Well, hope you know how to transfer video much better than me. Sp here is the code used for broadcasting video:

cCam = Camera.getCamera();
if(cCam == null) return;
cCam.setMode(this.vVideo.width, this.vVideo.height, 15, false);
cCam.setQuality(0, iVideoQuality);

In fact it's just Camera initialization, but the quality is set here.

"iVideoQuality" is quality set by you in Settings. Let me know if you know how to improve that.

Please write directly into mailbox.

When a user like me goes to youtube, flickr, animoto and on and on as I have done for over 13 years, do you think I needed to ask about all that gobblede gook you posted?

What does THAT tell me?

That does not fix the issue, I am not a script or flash tech - I can work with existing code and create more pages on and on ,, but this is stuff even some coders would have to figure out.

I mean this politely, but if no one can tell (like houston said) us what to do to fix it, what next?

...who fixes it?... the script came with it installed and it doesnt work.... simple.

@ teenzup Honestly, I do not think this was meant for you. HL was asking for specifics and Rayz gave it to him. Not sure what your rant was all about but the script works, although maybe not exactly the way some might want it to.

- As for the chat video, as I stated earlier: I really don't have any issues with it. I have adjusted my settings to the best I could get them and with everyone I have ever used video chat with have always been pretty clear and streamline. Not much lag at all even using audio at the same time. I would have to agree that its more of the server speed (RMS), internet speed, and quality of webcam (not a $5.00 webcam)

- As for video processing times, I would definitely love that to be faster. But once it has completed, the video quality itself has been improved since the start of D7.

Zarcon, with all due respect, Rayz didn't give me a damn thing.  He posted a few lines of code out of context, which told me absolutely nothing  I still know absolutely nothing about what happens between my HD webcam, and another computer where the video quality is a low resolution, and a low FPS.

There is obviously a process going on where video quality is reduced, and I'm just trying to find out what that process is.  Video resolution and frame rate doesn't just go in one end of a cable at 720P @24FPS and magically come out the other end @ 480i 12FPS... or whatever it is.  There has to be a conversion process somewhere. I don't know why trying to get an answer for this is being so damn difficult.  It's not like I'm asking someone to donate a kidney or something.

Oh, and By the way... I don't have a $5 web cam.  I have a Logitec Pro 9000.

Furthermore, we still know nothing about why video processing takes so long.  If other sites can process a video in 2 minutes, and that very same video takes 18 minutes on a Dolphin site, something is different.   I want to know what the "different" is.

HL is so right!

Those that have access to "ClipBucket" should install on their server where Dolphin is.

Upload the same video and it processes in just a couple minutes, not 45-50... both are using ffmpeg. I have watched the processes on the server.

EDIT:  What are the differences in process here besides auto uploading of the information about the video?

Just for the record, I completely agree that the video processing times should not take as long as they do. I am all for speeding that up :)

@ HL - So let me paint a picture and you tell me if I am close.. You are in your chatroom or video messenger - You activate your webcam and so does the other person:

In your preview area - Does your webcam look like its lagging there, like when you wave your hands around, etc.. If not, are you saying that the other person is telling you that your webcam is lagging? I guess what Im asking is where/how are you seeing it at 12 fps?

BTW- I was using a $5 webcam as an example, not to indicate you had a cheap webcam.

I thought I was pretty clear.  My webcam is outputting HD video, and low res video is being received... period.  What part of that don't you understand?

I believe he is asking if the low quality is on your end in the preview, or is it what the other viewing members see. There is a difference. Flash has an option to compress local video which degrades the quality of the preview.

But i think access to the flash source would be required to play with some of those options.

Right.. I was trying to find out if YOU (HL) are actually seeing the 12FPS on your end (in preview).. OR saying it outputs 12FPS because someone told you that your video looked like crap to them while using the video chat.

@Zarcon >RE> @ teenzup Honestly, I do not think this was meant for you. HL was asking for specifics and Rayz gave it to him. Not sure what your rant was all about but the script works, although maybe not exactly the way some might want it to. <

It IS meant for me, and it is meant for ALL of us having the same darn problem!

OR would you blast me if I started a NEW thread with the same problem?

I haven't gotten an answer yet to the SAME problem from MY post so i thought I'd join someone elses thread who's been around longer.

What part of I HAVE EXPERIENCE USING VIDEO uploading don't you see?

And>> although maybe not exactly the way some might want it to. <<< ummmm - ANY video uploading service I own had better work like the best out there or i should just settle for something that will make me a laughing stock online?

Theres NO reason for the uploading to have flaws in it like this. its not a maybe it will be ok deal, my thousands mean it MUST work RIGHT!

Next time jump on a flunkies back - thank you very kindly.

...Just Like that....

No Zarcon someone didn't tell me.  I am the one both sending and receiving on two different computers.  Do you actually believe I would be complaining about video quality in the preview area?

cCam.setMode(this.vVideo.width, this.vVideo.height, 15, false);

Obviously, here Rays video chat is setting the camera mode at 15FPS, so that's what I see in the preview area.  On the RECEIVING END, the video doesn't even appear to be 15FPS, and the resolution is nowhere near HD.  I honestly don't know why you are finding this so hard to understand.

I guess I'll just have to figure this out myself.   I was hoping Rays would have at least offered a bit of insight at to whether this issue had to do with flash, or if it's something to do with RMS.

Its not that I dont understand, I was simply trying to determine 'where' the problem may be starting at. Just like you are wondering if its flash, hard coded somewhere, or in the RMS. I have offered you a way to determine if its your RMS or not in the email I sent you. If you test it there and see that it looks just like you'd expect it to, then you will know it your RMS. I was just trying to help.

@ teenzup - I do not keep track of every post here on the Forums, so I do not know if you have a post out there or not. Also, I never said anything about video experience so Im not sure where that came from.. There are alot of things in Dolphin that may not be considered 'Right' and/or may need improvement, so if you are expecting Dolphin to be just like the best, you might be a little disappointed. Oh and I wasn't jumping on anyone's back...yet -- Your welcome very kindly.

Well I took it as you were... and since owning several companies over a course of 30 years offline and having to deal with sarcastic people in the numbers beyond the seas, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

I also know that the customer IS always right, even if they are wrong.

Reminding you very kindly.

That'll be all Zarcon, that'll be all.

Does anybody know if the flash apps at SVN are up to date?  I changed camera init settings in the actionscript.  The chat app compiles without errors but doesn't work.

I know this won't answer your questions, but ...

You can test out my ray chat with RMS (Chat 2) and then test out my integrated flascoms chat using separate Red5 server (Chat) on my site ustillup.com

You can login using:

username: testing

password: testing

I may give that a try just to confirm the issue.

I have an HD camera connected, and the native format is 720p, 30FPS

When the camera is initialized by the Chat app like this:

cCam.setMode(this.vVideo.width, this.vVideo.height, 15, false);

15 = FPS  and the false parameter tells flash to disregard video size (720 x 1280 in the case of my HF camera)  When flash sees that the favorSize parameter is set to 'false' it will change the camera resolution to preserve the frame rate, even if the video size is a 4:3 aspect ratio.  I would assume I'm getting a 4:3 aspect ratio video if my webcam had no HD mode at 15FPS, so I'm immediately taking a big video quality hit.   I messaged Rayz back and forth about some of this... I guess he's too bashful to discuss this openly.

I believe he's going to make the camera init settings available in admin.  Rayz did seem to think that RMS may have something to do with video quality, but didn't seem to know exactly what.... something I found a bit unusual since RMS bears his name (Ray Media Server)

Could this problem be partially due to hardware or software issues on receiving pc?

I ask this very hesitantly, as the temperature in this post got a bit hot... but I am curious to know, if I don't have latest version of Flash, or even Video card is too old on my pc, or infact, if I receive complaints from users... should this be considered, or does it not come into it at all?

Mandy

How dare you ask a question in my thread :P

How dare I? It was quite easy... and if you double dare me, I will ask another...hehehe

Seriously, did this issue get resloved? I am interested in this topic too, and may have some helpful information from talking to a developer.

I thought it meant "Red5 Media Server"

RMS, on this site, has always meant 'Ray Media Server'

Rayz told me the flash apps at SVN are "a little outdated"..... as I suspected.  Once I get my hands on the right flash source code, I'll make the changes to the camera init, and see how things turn out  I'll post the results here.

I know that higher quality video is going to place more demands on the media server, but I'd rather do what's necessary for the media server to handle it, rather degrade the video, so it can.

Please let me know how it does turn out HL... My Developer thought the problem maybe elsewhere from seeing the code that Rayz posted, but has not looked into it further as I was waiting to see if you got it sorted first.

Regards,

Mandy

I can't wait to find out how it turns out myself.  It's a simple little change I could do in about two minutes, if I only had the flash source code.  Maybe Rayz will add the latest flash source to svn while I'm still young enough to remember why I wanted it.  It drives me insane when such simple things take days, weeks, or even months.   I'll be a friggin old man by the time all the bugs are gone from my site, and I have something worth presenting.  I've wanted to just drop the whole damn project countless times, but the sickening feeling I get when I think of how much time I have invested stops me.  If someone was able to show me a smoothly running Dolphin 7 site with no issues, I swear, I'd kiss their ass on the front page of the New York Times.  

I guess I'll go take a peek at svn again... it's been hours since I've checked it for new flash source.

I'd be willing to kiss their ass too, so long as it saves me all the nonsense I am looking forwards to.

Seriously, the heart and soul of a script is the video part, it's what sold me to buy the darn script.

Anyone can make a social script, but provide the core essentials is another thing.

Video is the seller of all social sites, without it one is farting into the wind.

I was about to buy some more licenses this year and make a few sites for different niches, but this whole darn vid thing has got me stalled.

I hope someone resolves this, just like you I have over two months into this and hundreds.

LMAO @ 2 months into this.    Son... talk to me when you've been with it for over two years.

I dont suppose if you managed to get the source files, you could add a routine that kicks users for an hour..... or a moderator defined limited

AND

set it so you can only be in one room at a time

Pretty pleaseeee

The flash source is 320 files, that were created by someone else. I'll be lucky if I can just change the parameters I want to and get it to compile.  I now have the latest source files(I think), but the source is requesting a font that does not exist on my system, and the substituted font seems to be causing problems.

I just wrote a ticket asking to have camera init settings added to admin.  I have better things to do than to spend days and days trying to figure out someone else's work.   I just wish someone at Boonex would be a little more open to discussion on things like video quality.  If I can''t get anyone at Boonex to explain to me how to increase chat video quality, who in hell can I ask? 

Disclaimer: I'm getting really irritated over this issue, and I'm starting to snap at some people for no good reason.... but.... this is what working with D7 for two years will do to a person.

HL you can ask my Developer, he is very good, but he is not free unfortunately if you want him to do some work for you...

Mandy

Thanks HL I thought it was worth asking incase it could be done.

Reading some of your posts I don't blame you getting annoyed

Just out of interest...where can I find the source files?

Many thanks

svn://boonex.com/flash/trunk

user: guest

pwd: guest

HL and others, this thread may interest you with regards to video processing problem:

http://www.boonex.com/unity/forums/#topic/Everything-works-except-video-processing-.htm

Hmm...Hi, I have being seeing alot of people talking about video processing problems. But can i check why is there a problem? I upload a video file of 50mb, 2 min from pending to processing, 5 min auto approved. Is that normal? I just use the normal dolphin setting when i first install 7.0.4 last mth....i think the instruction is quite clear...or issit you guys modify too much?

Personally, I have not done anything to change the default settings for the video either, and am using 7.0.4....  who do you host with?

My hosting company is siteground.com For me, i think is the best support hosting.....Just complete the first 180mb video file. Will add more.